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125 Gallon FO, stkg. – 02/19/09 Hello Crew,
<Gordon> Thank you for all your efforts!!! <Welcome> I
presently have a Blue Angel and a Pakistani Butterfly in a 125 gallon
long. I fear that having the two fish will result in the Angel bullying
the butterfly. <Mmm, might> I was considering getting a tang
or a shoal of Green Chromis to "finish" the tank. I plan on upgrading to
a larger tank as I know the Blue Angel will out grow a 125. Any
thoughts? Thanks, Gordon <I think both would go here...
though the Angel may need larger quarters in time... But the Chromis
will add much interest to your display, and both fish species will
goodly serve as dither additions. Bob Fenner> Some Help
Needed With Stocking my 150-gallon, FO SW 02/13/09
Hello to all, First off I'd like to say how highly informative this
site is to me, and I've learned a lot about marine tank setups. I have
some questions, though. I'm setting up my very first saltwater tank,
which will be an LPS-dominated reef. The tank is 150 gallons, and
measures 48" long, 24" wide, and 30" high. Here is my fish list so far:
5- Green Chromis (Chromis viridis) 2-Ocellaris Clownfish
(Amphiprion ocellaris) 1- Orchid Dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani)
1-Coral Beauty Angel (Centropyge bispinosus) 1- Sixline Wrasse
(Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) 1- Bicolor Blenny (Escenius bicolor)
<All these should be fine... a nice modest, reasonable list of
fishes...> I'm hoping to add a larger fish to this mix, and here
are my candidates for consideration: Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma
flavescens)or: Pacific Blue Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus)or:
Foxface (Siganus vulpinus) <These should all be fine too. The
Foxface have a reputation for getting a bit testy... but it might be ok
in a large tank with enough rockwork.> What do you guys think? I'd
definitely want what's best for my fish, and don't want to overcrowd.
Which of these three would be best for my setup? Or if none of
these would do, I'll more than welcome suggestions for alternatives.
Thank you so much in advance. Sincerely, Shannon Old
Bridge, NJ <Cheers, Sara M.> Wrasse
compatibility? Untenable FO mix - 02/08/09 Hi,
<Hello Garrett> I have a 125 gallon aquarium I'm getting ready to set
up with a 40 gallon sump, skimmer and probably a 100 pounds of live rock
with 3 inches of live sand. My question for you is; are a "Thalassoma
lunare" Lunar Wrasse and a "Novaculichthys taeniourus" Dragon Wrasse
compatible? <Likely so, yes> Some of the other fish I want to
add are a "Balistoides conspicillum" Clown Trigger, <Umm, not this,
no> "Pterois Volitans" Lionfish, "Calloplesiops Altivelis" Marine
Betta, "Forcipiger Flavissimus" Yellow Longnose Butterfly" ,"Pomacanthus
navarchus" Majestic Angel <Nor this here either.> and "Echidna
Nebulosa" Snowflake Moray Eel. Other than the fact that I might be
pushing the limits on my tank with so many fish, are there any possible
issues you could see here? <Yep. Please see WWM (FAQs, articles) re
the Systems, Compatibility of what you list... This mix won't go here>
Any help with this would be awesome. Thanks. Garrett <Keep
reading. Bob Fenner> Overstocking Insanity
12/25/08 This is an ad I just copied off of craigslist...
These are just the fish currently "for sale"... Sadly, there is even a
Sailfin Tang in the photo... I guess he's keeping that one. I'm
half-tempted to make an offer so I can save them and donate to my LFS.
He wont even split them up? What the hell? Know anyone with a 1000g tank
looking for a package deal? Or do you think North Hollywood Animal
Police handles fish cruelty calls? And I thought I was overstocked. As
Bob would likely say... "Yikes". Reply to: comm-967601341@craigslist.org
[?]Date: 2008-12-22, 4:53PM PSTI have had my saltwater tank set up for
more than a year and some of my fish have outgrown my tank and its time
for them to move on to a bigger tank I have a 80g tank and here are the
fish I have for sale. 1 bamboo shark, 1 Picasso trigger, 1 nigger
trigger,1 snowflake eel, 1 Lunare wrasse, 1 star and stripped puffer and
2 volitans lions one black and one red . Ill be taking offer and the
highest one take them all must be adopted together. All of my fish are
5-6" and shark is about 11" and the eel is about 16". <Oh buoy! Makes
me wonder just how many gallons of water are actually here. Thank you
for sharing. Bob Fenner> Small Predator Tank, stkg.
12/15/08 I am trying to plan my return to the marine
aquarium world and I wanted to see if I am on the right track. A tank
full of small aggressive fish sounds to me like a particularly
interesting idea as I always liked Damsels, Groupers and Triggers. So I
thought I would see your thoughts on the following stocking list, in the
order I plan to stock them: 1 Blue Hamlet (Hypoplectrus gemma' max
size 5") 1 Dwarf Lionfish(Probably Dendrochirus barberi max size 7")
<Mmm, may swallow some of its tankmates...> 1 Hawkfish(probably
Cyprinocirrhites polyactis max size 5") 1 Whitetail Trigger(Sufflamen
albicaudatum max size 8.5") 1 Pseudochromis(probably Pseudochromis
splendens max size 5") <A good choice in this family> 1 Large
Damselfish(probably Dascyllus trimaculatus max size 5") <Can be a
terror... even biting you!> First, are there any irreconcilable
differences between any of these fish? <Mmm, none tremendously
overt... given room, habitat...> I realize that with fish this
aggressive there may be one fish that refuses any company whatsoever,
but is there at least a reasonable probability of it working?
<Yes... in the 125 I see you are proposing below> As far as I can
tell they are all big enough to avoid being lunch for the Dwarf Lionfish
provided I buy them while larger than three inches. The other issue I
would worry about is the Trigger harassing the Lionfish or the Hamlet to
death, but from what I read this is one of the triggers that is
sometimes kept in reefs, which makes me suspect that interaction will
be fine. <As Triggerfishes go the genus Sufflamen are rather mellow.
Getting food to the Lion here should not be insurmountable> Then
there is the issue of tank size. Does a 125 gallon seem reasonable for
this? <Yes> When introduced this is about 20 inches of medium
sized fish, when adults it is about 35 inches. <And these fishes
won't get this large here, ever> That leaves 1 inch per 3.5 gallons
as adults, to me that sounds reasonable since in my experience I rarely
get everything in the tank at an adult size at the same time.
Reaching a psychological limit seems more likely, but enough caves seems
like it should handle that problem. <You exhibit wisdom, patience and
intelligence here...> As for filtration I was thinking a large
skimmer, a refugium with a deep sand bed, and if it proves necessary
perhaps a wet-dry system. Thanks Jesse <Thank you for sharing.
Bob Fenner>
Identification help? And a whole lot more!, Shroom, and stkg.... FO
SW, & coral lighting... 12/02/08 Hi
crew again-- <Hello, Mich here.> For the purpose of trying to
get as many questions asked/answered with one email, please bear
with me! <No worries.> I am attaching a picture of what I
believe may be a Ricordea mushroom, but I cannot tell. <Looks
like a Ricordea yuma to me.> This mushroom hitchhiked in on a
piece of live rock. It has "split" once. It does much better under
actinic lighting and closer to the lighting than the other mushrooms
I have in my tank. <Ricordea are often found in shallow waters.>
I have also invested in the Pocket Expert Guide to Marine Fishes by
Scott Michael and the 101 Best Saltwater Fishes by Scott Michael. I
also purchased the Pocket Expert Guide to Marine Invertebrates by
Dr. Ronald Shimek. My next purchase will be the Conscientious Marine
Aquarist. <All four are excellent books! You are very wise to
spend some money on educating yourself. These books are well worth
the money and very useful tools. Congrats to you.> The first
three books have helped me immensely on planning the rest of my
current 75 gallon tank as well as my preparations to begin setup on
a 55 gallon tank and a 30 gallon tank. My 75 gallon will be my reef
tank and the 55 gallon will be an aggressive fish only tank. The 30
gallon will be a peaceful fish only tank. Can I ask your suggestions
on my list of what I want to put in the 55 gallon? Also what to put
in the 30 (below)? <Sure, though I will defer here to ScottF. as
he is more knowledgeable in this subject area.> I would like to
put in the 55 gallon: <Hi! Scott F. chiming in...> 1 Harlequin
Tuskfish (Choerodon fasciatus) <Yikes! In a 55?> 1 Volitans
Lionfish (Pterois volitans) <Oh my!> 1 Scimitar (Bursa)
Triggerfish (Sufflamen bursa) <Please, no! You're killing me.>
1 eel (I am undecided on a type here) either a Whitemouth Moray
(Gymnothorax meleagris) or a Zebra Moray (Gymnomuraena zebra) or
possibly a Snowflake Moray (Echidna nebulosa) <OMG!!!!> 1
Pufferfish (again undecided) either a Blackspotted Puffer (Arothron
nigropunctatus) or a Spiny Puffer (Diodon holocanthus)
<Airway...I need an airway!> #1 is this too big of a bio-load for
a 55 gallon? After reading about each of these, I think they should
all do fine together, but wanted your suggestions first. <Um...in
a word- YES! I didn't mean to sound too insensitive, but we need to
revisit this stocking plan. Not one of these fishes is really even a
viable choice for the short run in an aquarium of this size. In
addition to reaching sizes that are way too large for this aquarium,
these fishes are quite aggressive and incompatible, are messy
eaters, and produce copious amounts of metabolic wastes. We need to
look at some alternative fishes that will be better suited for this
aquarium. Smaller, more peaceful choices would be a better approach.
The Harlequin Tusk and the Triggers are simply out of the question
for this aquarium. A Lionfish is a possibility, if you are willing
to try a different species, such as the "Fu Manchu Lionfish",
Dendrochirus biocellatus. This fish is almost as "sexy" as the
full-sized guys, yet reaches a more manageable 4 inches or so. It
can be a bit shy, but can easily be kept in a 55 gallon aquarium.
Like all Lionfish, it is venomous, so do exercise caution when
handling this fish. A moray Eel is really not a viable choice for
this sized aquarium, either, but you could consider a smaller
version, such as the "Golden Dwarf Moray", Gymnothorax melatremus,
which is a tiny version of the full-sized species. It reaches a
maximum size of about 6-8 inches, and is the diameter of a pen.
However, don't let the small size of the fish fool you; these fishes
can eat surprisingly large prey items! And, to top it off- they are
amazing jumpers. If you do keep one, remember to keep the aquarium
tightly covered. They can find the smallest opening and use it to go
"carpet surfing"! Oh- and did I mention that they are pretty darned
expensive, too! Nonetheless, I think that this would be the only Eel
that I would even consider for this sized aquarium. In place of the
Harlequin Tusk, consider a smaller wrasse species, such as a
Halichoeres species, which generally top off in the 3"-4" range.
Better long-term choices for a modest-sized aquarium.> #2 what
order would you add them in? I think the trigger should probably be
added last, but not sure. <I'd add the Lionfish first, and make
sure that he's eating before another fish is added. Then I'd go for
the GDM, and the wrasse would round out the stocking list.> Next
tank I want to set up is a 30 gallon peaceful. The following are the
inhabitants I want to put in: 1 Yellow Shrimp Goby (Cryptocentrus
cinctus) 1 Banggai Cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni) <Some
controversy with this fish. Please see here:
http://microcosmaqx.typepad.com/ret_talbot/2008/09/banggai-cardi-2.html
http://en.microcosmaquariumexplorer.com/wiki/Portal:Letters > 1
Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto) 1 Cherub Angelfish (Centropyge argi)
1 Coral Beauty Angelfish (Centropyge bispinosa) <Don't mix
Centropyge angelfish in this sized aquarium. Choose one or the
other. Personally, I'd pass on an angelfish in this sized system.
However, if you must have one, the C. argi is the better choice. It
can be a bit aggressive, so be careful and observe the system
often.> 2 Yellow Clown Gobies (Gobiodon okinawae) For this
group, I would add the Cherub last. <Absolutely.> Too big of
a bio-load? <Oh yes, by far. You need to pare down the stocking
list quite a bit. I'd consider keeping the Goby, Royal Gramma, and
the C. argi. That would be it! Remember, a 30 gallon aquarium holds
less than 30 gallons when you take into account the volume consumed
by rock and sand. Smaller water volumes are a great challenge to
maintain.> What order to add? <Goby, Gramma, Angelfish!>
The fish only tanks will get live sand and some live rock, but that
is it. <OK.> I will be putting a protein skimmer on the 55,
but will it be necessary on the 30 gallon? <I would say yes. In
my opinion, a protein skimmer is not an optional piece of equipment
in a marine system. I simply would not run a marine system without
one. This is my opinion, of course, but I would be remiss if I did
not attempt to convince you to utilize protein skimming in your
system, regardless of size.> Could I do more frequent water
changes in 30 instead of skimming? <You could, but I still feel a
skimmer is mandatory. There are skimmers available for almost any
size of aquarium and budget, so do a little research and you'll find
one that works for your system.> Okay now a quick question on my
75 gallon if I may. You guys have helped me out with other problems
with that tank. Needless to say, I did what I assume many beginning
aquarists do--I ran out and bought and bought and bought and did not
research first. I have learned the hard way that is not the way to
do it! <A terrible lesson, but at least you learned. And the fact
that you are sharing your experience with others proves that you
have progressed!> With the money wasted in now dead livestock, I
could have purchased some really awesome high dollar fish! <Like
a Golden Dwarf Moray!> Live and learn I guess! Okay on to the
question.... I am planning on purchasing a metal halide/T-5 combo
light for my 75 gallon. The following is what I am looking at: 2
X 250 Watt Metal Halide � 15k bulbs included 4 X 54 watt T5 HO
Lights included- 4 actinic 03 bulbs 8 lunar moonlights included
on fixture � 8 blue 1 watt LED's Unit has 3 Chords and 3
switches Is this sufficient lighting for all corals, etc? <It
can be sufficient for a great many corals, and may actually be
overkill for some species! It really boils down to what kinds of
corals you intend to keep. Personally, I like the flexibility of the
Halide/T5 combo, but you could actually get by with exclusively
lighting the system with T5 bulbs. They are a remarkably powerful
lighting source for a variety of corals. You also may not need 250
watt halides over this sized system. You could do pretty well with
two 150 watt DE halides over this sized system, and realize the same
flexibility and enjoy energy savings as well!> The other 2 tanks
will have actinic lighting--no metal halides or anything "fancy".
Any help would sure be appreciated! Thank you so much for being
there for people! <You are very welcome! Scott F. signing out!>
Angela |  |
New 55 Gallon FO Saltwater Tank, stkg. 11/18/08 Hey
Crew, My fiancé and myself are new to the aquarium world and have
been doing some research and planning before purchase. We have 2" of
sand seeded with live sand that was used to cycle the tank. It's about
2.5 ft high, 4 ft wide and maybe a 1 ft deep. We want to setup the tank
to center around a couple of butterflyfish that we'll acclimate at the
same time, but will start with some smaller, hardier fish first.
<Uh... don't get any fish you don't want "forever." So called "starter
fish" are not such a good idea when it comes to marine tanks, unless
these are the fish you plan to keep indefinitely.> Was thinking of 2
to 4 blue-green chromis, 2 hermit crabs, and a couple of snails for
starters. <Hermits and snails are good for fish only tanks. You can
start with 2 chromis, but again, only if there are fish you really do
want.> My main question is what type of butterfly fish should I
consider? I'd like the Raccoon, but I'm afraid my tank is a tad on the
small side. <Your fear is warranted... the tank is probably too
small for a Raccoon butterfly, or most any butterfly really. These fish
are "roamers" and need as much room as you can give them. But you might
be ok with one of the smaller species, maybe. Also, some don't do well
with others of their own kind (do better solitary). To start, please
read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BFsBestWrst.htm and follow
the links to the different groups.> Would you have a good
recommendation for butterflyfish that would work well in a tank this
size? <I'm not going to say you couldn't keep any kind of butterfly
in this tank, but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone who hasn't been
keeping marine fish for a long time. I can understand their appeal and
wanting to have a pair of fish. But If what you really want a "romantic"
kind of display with a happy pairing of fish... there are better
options... like clown fish. Please take your time, do your research.
I'm sure you and your fiancé will find the perfect fish for you and your
system. :-) > Jason Tindell <Best, Sara M.> Re:
New 55 Gallon FO Saltwater Tank 11/19/08 Yeah, cause Finding
Nemo was a really romantic movie... <Mmm, well, while a great show...
not the most accurate. Clown fish are actually very easy to pair because
if you get two when they are small/young, one (the bigger one) will
become female while the other male.> Jason Tindell <Best, Sara
M.> Re: New 55 Gallon FO Saltwater Tank
11/19/08 Sara, I sincerely apologize for that previous email
being sent to your website. It was suppose to be sent to my fiancé and I
was merely expressing my personal frustration. <Oops, no worries. I
do apologize if I caused you to be frustrated. But there's a reason most
people don't keep marine aquariums for long (unfortunately). I/we don't
mean to turn people off to the hobby, but we do want to let them know
what they're getting into.> I do appreciate your advice and time in
answering my newbie questions. The blue-green chromis is a starter fish
as in we are new to the marine aquarium world and it's a cheap, hearty
fish that have a good chance to survive our mistakes and will likely get
along well with any future choices so they would be there for the long
haul. <Ah, good. I didn't mean to say you shouldn't try your hand
with "starter fish" if it's a fish you like and plan to keep. I was
referring more to when people use fish like damsels for such and then
live to regret it or worse, take them out later and dispose of them. But
yes, Chromis are good "starter" fish... and as long as you plan to keep
them, they are a fine choice.> However, the B/Fs are what we really
would like to have, and it may just take us a little longer and
graduating to a larger tank before we introduce <Good idea.> them
into our system as I certainly wouldn't want to cram them into a space
too small for their needs. <Bless you> Jason Tindell <Good
luck... it's an adventure for sure! Best, Sara M.>
120 stocking 11/15/08 Crew, <Joe> I have a question
about stocking for my 120. I currently have a porcupine puffer, purple
tang, Huma, and clown trigger. I was thinking about adding a coral
hind to the tank but don't know if I really have the room. Do you think
I have room for any more fish, much less that large of a fish? <I do
not. You have too much for this tank already with the large, aggressive
Clown.> Thanks, Joe <Welcome, Scott V.> Stocking
question... SW, gen... reading 8/18/08 Howdy Crew
<Hi there> I am a junior high school science teacher and am in the
process of setting up a 180 gallon saltwater tank in my classroom. It's
been running 3 months and I'm in the process of filling it with
livestock. I have about 50 lbs of live rock and another 80 of base rock
that looks like its starting to be seeded. Oh, and I have a 3 inch bed
of live sand. The water quality seems good with nitrates being the only
substance that is creeping up a little--I still have bio-balls in the
sump since I don't know if my live rock is cooking enough to remove them
yet. <Mmm, very likely is> Anyway, I cycled the tank with 2 big
Green Chromis. About 3 weeks ago, I added 2 young Percula Clowns (each
with a cool double saddle misbar on the back), a lawnmower blenny, and 3
turbo snails . I also have a couple As far as I can tell, the only
problem I'm having so far is a hair algae outbreak which let me to the
snails and the blenny. I have a few aiptasia but injecting them with
lemon juice has worked great so far. My goal for the tank is to create a
system with a lot of diversity (with lots to explain to the kids) and
I'd like to eventually have a Flame Angel as the centerpiece. Yesterday,
I went to my LFS and didn't see any of the fish I really wanted other
than a flame angel. ) I'm rather weary of wrasses and the two fish I'm
considering from the store are a Sixline wrasse and a yellow wrasse.
Here are my questions: 1) Would adding a group of small green chromis
to the big 2 be a death sentence for the new ones? <Mmm, not too
likely... in a system of this size, shape... they'll probably stay in
separate groups> 2) What's your opinion on the wrasse duo, especially
the yellow? <S/b fine as well. The Halichoeres chrysus is a fave...
you'll see it out and about... the Pseudocheilinus will hide most all
the time> I had wanted to add a Mandarin in a year or so, but I'm
guessing the wrasses are going to knock the copepod population down too
low for that to work. Also, I hear (read) they eat shrimp. <Mmm, only
very small...> 3) In building a cleanup crew, will different types of
crabs battle or will they claim a territory and be happy? <... I'd do
a bit of reading re... skip on decapods> Also are there any shrimp
that will work with the addition of the yellow wrasse? <Sure...
Hippolytids esp.> I really need something that will clean up my sand.
<Mmm, other animals for this> 4) Since I have the 2 clownfish are
other clowns of the same (or different) species now off limits? <In a
six foot long system, another pair of Amphiprion should be fine> 5)
What are your thoughts on the following as future fish: Yellow Tang,
Pajama cardinal(s), Schooling Bannerfish (can I do just 1?), <Yes>
Royal Gramma, Clown goby, and the Flame angel. 6) Do you have any
other opinions on what would be "cool" for me to put in the tank for a
7th grader to see? (I am new to all of this.) <Mmm, I'd ask them to
research.> Thanks very much for your time and thanks for the great
website. <Welcome! Bob Fenner> Stocking List; what
size tank? 10/11/08 Good day Crew of WWM, <Eric>
I have a quick question. Here's the list of fish I'm planning to buy,
and I'm wondering, what is the smallest tank you would recommend?
<Mmm... okay> 1. Yellow Tailed Blue Damsels/Green Chromis (3) 2.
Flame Angel 3. Starry Blenny 4. Canthigaster Solandri <Mmm, a
stock shape 55 or sixty minimum... bigger... better> I'll have an
over-filtered tank with plenty of live rock, aeration, and an excellent
skimmer, of course. Ideally, I would like to put them in a 46 gallon
bowfront tank, <Mmm, not a good shape for the volume... too little
space for all to get away from each other, you> if at all possible.
Do you think this is too small? <Yes> Thanks as always! Eric
<Welcome. Bob Fenner> Dwarf Lionfish and Harlequin
Tusk... incomp. 10/1/08 Hello, <Hi> I have
a Dwarf Lionfish that is about 4" long living nicely with a Carpet Eel
Blenny <(Congrogadus subducens)> (he was added a couple of weeks
ago). I introduced a new Dwarf Lion to my tank three days ago and woke
up this morning to find it dead. It had been harassed by the other
Dwarf, but I was (stupidly?) hoping that they could sort out their
differences. <Likely got poked> This same Dwarf harassed a Clown
Trigger until it had to be removed to another tank. <I would too. NOT
compatible> Oh, I have a 55 gallon tank with canister filter (Fluval
305) and CPR BakPak skimmer along with a bunch of live rock (sorry,
don't know how many pounds). So, I really want to introduce another fish
to live with these two, <You need to study...> at the same time
add some color to the tank, but am feeling a little gun-shy regarding
the aggression my lion has been showing towards fish. I really want a
Harlequin Tusk, <This tank... is too small> but I'm happy to hear
suggestions. <Oh, good> I just don't want unhappy fish and would
like to keep my Dwarf Lion. Can you guys help me?? Thank you!
<Can help you help yourself. Read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/dwflioncompfaqs.htm and the linked files
above, and peruse WWM until you're better aware of your possibilities.
Bob Fenner> re: trigger and tank size... ridiculous FO
lvstk. mix, joke? 10/1/08 I have a 120 gallon
tank. In it i have a Picasso trigger and a Niger trigger. is this
going to be enough room for them when they have grown to full size or
should i be looking for a bigger tank now? <Likely would/will be
fine> i also have a Volitans lion fish, dog face puffer, a fox-face
rabbit fish, and 2 eels. thanks in advance. <... is this a joke? I
do hope not. See WWM re the Systems, Compatibility of what species you
have. This mix will NOT work. Bob Fenner> Fish Tank
Question, Marine Stocking 9/22/08 Hey WWM Crew, <Hello>
I have a question regarding the following: I have a 46 gallon bow
front aquarium that I am setting up for a saltwater tank. <I have had
one of these for years.> I'm all good with that but a question has
come across my mind for fish for in this aquarium. When placing fish
into a 46 gallon bowfront is these fish that I would like to have fine
together in this size tank. I would like to have, a pair of True Percula
Clownfish, <Ok> a Raccoon Butterfly, <Gets too big.> a Coral
Beauty Angelfish, <Needs a bit larger tank.> and a Koran
Angelfish. <Also too big.> I believe that I have given enough area
for the fish to be able to separate and enough spots to hide out, so I
believe this number will be an okay amount. <I would disagree here,
for comparison in mine I have a pair of clowns and a Gramma, plus a
fairly large serpent star and I consider it fairly well stocked. The
tank is smaller than you think, especially when rock, sand, and
equipment is added in.> But if you don't think so please let me know.
<See above.> And my second question that might already be answered in
the first one is Will both a Koran angelfish and a Coral Beauty
angelfish be able to go together, I know sometimes that 2 angels cant go
together, but if I add them at same/similar times (please let me know if
that is even necessary if fish are fine together) but will those to
angels be fine together? <Not in this sized aquarium.> Thank you
so much for your help Ryan <Welcome> <Chris>
Stocking list compatibility.. FO... 155 gal.s 8/30/08
Hello Crew! <Jeremy> After a very sudden and devastating bout with
Amyloodinium that wiped out an entire tank in less than 24 hours and a
very tough lesson learned about QT'ing for a FULL 4 weeks, and nothing
less, I'm in the position of coming up with a new stocking list once my
6 week fallow period has passed. Having learned what I have over the
last year, I'm going to change up my list of possible inhabitants a bit
and wondered if someone would mind taking a brief look at it and tell me
if there are any absolute compatibility no-no's. I have a year old
120gal mixed reef set-up with a 6" DSB, 100lbs. LR, 35gal sump with a
built in refugium growing Chaeto/Copepods fed by dual MegaFlows and
roughly 3400gph total tank flow rate. Some of the possibilities I'm
considering include: Holocentrus Adscensionis (Squirrelfish) *or,
not both* Neoniphon marianus (Longjaw Squirrelfish) <Both good
choices in Holocentrids...> Pterois Volitans (Volitans Lionfish)
<Mmm, will get to be about half the allowable biomass in this volume>
Coris Gaimard (Gaimard Wrasse) Pterapogan kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
<Eaten by the Lion, maybe the Squirrel> Neocirrhites Armatus
(Scarlet/Flame Hawkfish) <Ditto> Siganus Magnificus (Magnificent
Rabbitfish) Zebrasoma Flavescens (Yellow Tang) Istiblennius
Chrysospilos (Red/Orange Spotted Blenny) Synchiropus Picturatus
(Psychedelic Mandarin) *POSSIBLY, undecided if I want to risk it*
<Mmm, also eaten...> Chromis Viridis (Blue-Green Chromis) <Ditto>
Linckia Laevigata (Linckia Starfish) <See WWM, not good species for
aquarium care> Premnas Biaculeatus (Maroon Clownfish) *To be added
last* Congrogadus Subduscens (Green Wolf Eel) *Unclear as to whether
this is even a survivable/viable species to try* <Is actually pretty
tough> Apologies for dual naming, I'm trying to get out of the habit
of using common names but still need reminders. Obviously I'm not
thinking of stocking all of these fish, but a handful out of the list.
After searching and searching through the FAQ's, my head is spinning and
I hoped that I might be able to take a little more direct approach by
gleaning from one of you guys directly. Any input, suggestions, or
substitutions would be greatly appreciated. BTW thank you Bob for your
help with my pond a few weeks ago. After a few back to back water
changes, my Koi with the mysterious black spots/growths cleared up and
all inhabitants are apparently happy again! <Ah, good> Whatever
was causing it seemed to be environmental after all. Humbly,
Jeremy <Well... you have pretty much "2" systems to decide
between... the one with the Squirrel and Lion (plus a few other of the
larger choices listed) OR the one with the smaller fishes excluding
them... Bob Fenner>
Re: Stocking list compatibility.. 8/31/08 Thank you
for the reply Bob. I kind of thought the Volitans might get to be a
little large, but what about one of the smaller species like
Dendrochirus biocellatus if some of the smaller selections were of
mature size? <Mmm, no, I wouldn't> The only reason I ask is
because I know my wife will want some of the smaller *pretty* fish, and
I've wanted to try some type of Scorpionfish for a long time, so I'm
trying to find a happy medium somewhere. <Two tanks> I can do
without the squirrelfish if necessary as I didn't have my heart truly
set on one to begin with. I'm assuming that the cardinals and the
mandarin (my wife will be heartbroken) would still be no-no's, but what
about the chromis and Hawkfish? <... not with the Lion... Please
learn to/use the indices, search tool on WWM. This information and much
that you will find of use, interest is archived along side of it. Bob
Fenner>
Some questions... leaping before... 08/28/08
Hi, I was hoping you'd be able to shed some light on some queries I
have. <We'll see> 1. Can you help identify this fish in the
attachment? It's a puffer for sure but which kind, I can't seem to
determine. <Mmm... yes... read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/tetraodontpuffers.htm... A. hispidus> 2.
It's about 4 days old in my tank so it's a new addition. Since I
don't know what kinda fish it is, <? You bought something live,
took it into your care, w/o even knowing...?> not too sure about
its feeding habits. What does it eat and what frequency should I
feed it. <... idiocy> 3. I have a 270 gallon tank. What should
be the optimum flow per hour in order to facilitate the best
filtration. <Ditto> 4. Again, consider the size of my tank, I
have a medium sized Volitans lionfish, a small sucker remora,
<... incompatible...> a small puffer, a small/medium spotted
grouper, a small 6 line Soapfish, <toxic...> and the puffer I
cannot identify. So a total of 6. How many more can I add and what
kinda fishes would go well with the existing in this community?
5. Am thinking of adding a trigger. Which is the most docile and
least aggressive one? Thanks for your help again. B <...
Please... learn to use WWM, read some basic books... BEFORE removing
life to your inexperienced care. Bob Fenner, disgusted> |
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Re: Some questions 08/28/08 Bob,
appreciate your comments and perhaps, I should deep dive into why I am
in this situation. I didn't want to bore you with a life history.
<Please fill me in with what is pertinent> Fact is, this tank, I
inherited from friends who left the country 2 days ago. Prior to them
leaving, they made an addition to the tank that they thought I'd like it
in case you were wondering why there was a new fish. I didn't buy it.
<I see> Does this explain why I have no clue about saltwater tanks?
<Oh yes> And in case you were going to say my friends should have
sold them back to the fish shops, I think you'd appreciate that I am in
China. We did try asking them if they'd take the fishes back but China
has different dynamics. They'd do anything to sell you a fish but will
never let you sell it back, unlike the US. Sad fact but true. <Thank
you for this> The reason I am asking about adding additional fishes
is just in case I get the hang of this saltwater thingy, I may start to
get good at it and eventually turn it into a hobby. For now, I am just
trying to keep these little fishes alive rather than to leave my friends
with no options except to trash the entire tank. <Mmm... I would
definitely "punt" here... Add no more, read/study what you can till you
have a semblance of what can exist well-enough together, return, sell,
give away the rest... Put together a stocking plan some time in future>
I scurried the web to find a reliable source of help and info and
chanced upon your site. I was hoping you could offer help in keeping
these fishes alive. <What in particular do you seek?> You can
remain disgusted and call me an idiot <Mmm, did not... I know you
naught. I stated that the acts were idiocy... You appear to be a very
competent writer of English... otherwise, you may look this word up>
if you wish and I will try and find help elsewhere. I came to you
because I could not turn to the local fish people coz i doubt they'd
really care. It's only a business to them and they won't be offering any
constructive advice since they only vested interest is making money out
of me. All I was hoping for from you was a little compassion just like
the compassion I gave to the inherited tank and fishes. <... I
understand... and can and will gladly help you... but, where to start?
There is MUCH to know, and you have, as the amended title (by me) stated
"leapt..." into things, "w/o looking"... as you state here from all this
being gifted to you. Do you have service companies that take care of
fish tanks for folks there, in your region? I strongly suggest you avail
yourself of their services NOW, until you feel more confident re taking
all this on yourself. Saltwater aquarium keeping is not overly
difficult, nor mysterious, but it takes a bit of knowledge... and
gaining this will take a few months. We have tens of thousands of folks
(unique ISPs) per day that use our resource... Do please become facile
at using the search tool, indices... Most all of your immediate concerns
are addressed, archived (I am the common progenitor of this site). Bob
Fenner> |
Fish Stocking Question for 90g Marine Tank – 08/24/08 Hello WWM
Crew, <<Greetings Clay>> I have a question regarding the stocking
of my system. <<Okay>> Here is a brief description of my tank. I
have a 90 gallon display tank with a 40 gallon sump and refugium. The
tank contains 130 pounds of live rock. My skimmer is a SWC Xtreme
NW-160. Other filtration includes active GAC and PhosBan. The system has
been up and running for just over 11 months. I currently have a Royal
Gramma, Ocellaris Clown, Orchid Dottyback, and a Sailfin Tang.
<<Mmm…though I’m sure it doesn’t seem like it, the 90 is too small for
the Sailfin. If this fish were to reach its maximum “wild” size it would
hardly be able to turn around in this tank. And though it likely won’t
get that large in captivity, just growing up in this “too small” system
will probably have deleterious effect on its long-term health, along
with spawning abhorrent/aggressive behavior as it matures>> The tank
also contains a mix of various soft corals, Zoanthids, and mushrooms. I
am considering adding 4 more fish and would like to hear your thoughts.
<<Sure>> I would very much like to add a small angel such as a Flame
or Coral Beauty. <<Choose the Flame for sure… The Coral Beauty is an
exquisite fish, and if a healthy and undamaged one can be obtained and
acclimated (these can prove difficult) it can be quite hardy. But the
Flame Angel has proven to be an exceptional aquarium specimen among
Centropyge species, both hardy and easy to care for…and a real beauty
itself to boot>> I would also like to get 3 Yellow-tail or Azure
Damselfish. Does adding these fish seem to be a wise decision? <<This
number of this size fishes is fine, though the Damsels are a bit of a
gamble re getting along…perhaps a trio of Cardinal fishes…The Pajama or
Longspine maybe>> If so, what order should these be added in?
<<Between the Angel and the Damsels, I don’t think it matters…if you go
with Cardinals then place these before the Angel…though I think the
established Dottyback is the real concern re any of these new
additions>> Thanks for any suggestions or comments you can provide.
Clay <<Quite welcome, EricR>>
Stocking a 90 Gallon Tank…Three Tangs Too Much? (Yes!) – 08/07/08
Hi Bob and Crew, <<Hello Melissa…Eric here>> I have a question
about stocking a 90 gallon tank with a 20 gallon sump/refugium.
<<Okay>> I have 150 lbs. of live rock and the tank has been set
up for 9 months. <<Ah, a “young” system then>> It will soon be
a reef after I increase lighting. <<I see…then do keep this in
mind re your stocking plan as ALL life will have an impact/be a
burden to the system>> Recently I had an outbreak of ich. They
are currently in the treatment tank and unfortunately I'm revising
my stocking list because I lost some of the fish. I'm wondering if
I'm overstocking the tank, although the LFS owner who usually gives
good advice says I'm not. <<Is often a subjective observation
(with many variables)...but if trouble keeps arising re then
logic/reason must dictate>> I'm starting to question this because
twice in the past 9 months I've gotten ich. <<While this may well
be a stocking/overstocking issue, it may also be a problem with your
husbandry (poor water quality, diet, etc.) or even the source of the
livestock (poor collection/holding practices). All of which will
cause stress and the associated depression of the fish’s immune
system>> Both times it happened when I was stocking close to the
last fish. The first time I wasn't dipping or quarantining properly
but learned my lesson and the second time around dipped and
quarantined all new fish unless you stated here that it was best to
just dip and place the particular fish. <<Very good>> This
time when I was placing the last few fish my two tangs started to
fight (they have never had any trouble for the past 7 months), one
got sick and it started to spread. <<Mmm…this sudden fighting and
subsequent illness may very well be put to a “too full”
environment>> Since I have switched over to saltwater two years
ago I have only lost one fish after initial quarantine,
<<Commendable>> except these times when I have reached capacity
and had an ich outbreak. Other than this I've never had a disease,
fish fighting, not eating, etc. <<Sounds as if perhaps you have
been doing some good reading/researching beforehand>> Everyone
has seemed happy and active and this has me wondering if this is
more than a coincidence. <<Coincidence? No… It is a certainty
that “something” you are doing or about your system is leading up to
these outbreaks. The key is to use the clues available to discover
and break the cycle of events that result in the complaint>> I'm
sure it is somewhat stressful whenever a new fish is introduced
<<Too all, most assuredly (remember being/receiving the new kid in
school?)… Not to mention being plucked out of their environment and
tossed around by “giants”>> but they have seemed to adjust fine
until I'm close to full. <<A clue then>> Also, I haven't had
any trouble keeping my levels at 0 with nitrates around 10-15
<<Another clue…>> with my weekly water changes and nothing else
seemed to have changed before the outbreaks like temperature
variations, pH change etc. This is the current stocking list; all
fish except the powder brown were placed at the time of illness:
Powder Brown Tang (A. japonicus) Percula Clown Yellow Tang
Kole Tang Green Clown Goby Yellow Clown Goby Yellow-headed
Jawfish Firefish Scooter Blenny Diamond Goby Bicolor
Blenny Sixline Wrasse 5 Chromis 3 Lyretail Anthias (1 male,
2 female) Am I overstocking and if so are there specific issues?
<<It is my opinion you “are” overstocked. Aside from just the mass
of the fish flesh packed in this tank, you have some species that
really require larger quarters. This tank is “marginal” for any tang
species in my opinion, and certainly too small to house three. Aside
from health issues, these fish can suffer social/behavioral problems
from “growing up” in a too small environment…as may be evidenced by
the sudden fighting as the tank becomes more crowded>> I really
like tangs but if 3 is too many I can cut down there. <<A
“single” specimen is best here…and any one of these three smallish
species you have chosen would be fine in my opinion>> Also, I
would prefer to just have a pair of anthias, but have been told 3 is
best. <<This is the popular consensus… But you can always give it
a try…observing behavior of the remaining pair for a time and
reintroducing the second female if things get too rough>> Like I
said, I have lost some fish at this point and want to take this
opportunity to revise the stocking list so I can prevent this in the
future. I would like a tank that is full and active but with happy,
healthy fish that live long lives. <<A tank full of fishes is a
common desire…but this “want” must be balanced with the particular
environment. This involves not only choosing species that are
compatible, but also choosing species that are “suitable” to the
limitations of the environment. While it could be other factors as
well, the fighting among the tangs is suggestive of crowding (which
may even be exacerbated by too much rock in the display limiting
“swimming” space). The moderately high Nitrate level, while deemed
within acceptable limits for a FOWLR system (will need to be kept at
<5ppm when you go “Reef”), is also suggestive of a
crowded/overburdened system. While the latter might be dealt with by
adding a DSB, ancillary chemical filtration, and/or increasing the
size of the refugium…the former can only be addressed with a larger
system, or a rethinking of your stocking plan>> Thanks,
Melissa <<I hope this proves helpful. EricR>>
Re: Stocking a 90 Gallon Tank…Three Tangs Too Much? (Yes!) –
08/07/08 Hi Eric, <<Hey Melissa!>> Thanks for your
help. <<A pleasure>> I have been wondering myself if 150 lbs
of rock is too much. <<Mmm, yes…depends on the particulars of the
rock…but does sound in excess to me. Perhaps you can remote some of
this>> Since the tank is empty right now I took the chance to
rearrange to allow more swimming room and better circulation but it
still looks full! <<Ah well, can indeed be a difficult balance…to
provide enough hiding places, adequate biological filtration, etc.>>
I can move some of the rock into the refugium/sump area, how many
pounds would you suggest keeping in the display? <<Hard to say,
not knowing how dense/heavy this rock is. But try building a pair of
“bommies” from the rock, surrounded on all sides by substrate, and
see what you have. Build the bommies as high as you can yet not so
high as to be unstable (often easier said…). Try to incorporate
plenty of nooks and crannies for hiding. I think you will find this
to be more interesting than the ubiquitous “rock wall” and the
design typically allows more freedom of movement to the fishes…as
well as enhanced water flow/circulation>> I will start working on
cutting down the stocking list. <<For the best I feel. Most of
the smaller fishes you listed will probably be fine, though I think
you may eventually have an issue with the Sixline Wrasse and the
Firefish as the former can be a real terror in confined spaces, and
the latter is very easily harassed to the point of starvation>> I
know there is no set in stone formula for how many fish/inches
because of all of the variables but do you have some type of
guideline for me to figure out when I've cut enough? <<Other than
reading/researching/experience…I’m afraid not. But do feel free to
bounce your ideas/selections off me if you wish. Before purchase of
course [grin]>> For future reference (I just upgraded but already
have visions of a bigger system) what size tank would you recommend
for 2 or 3 tangs? <<Considering “standard” available sizes…at
least 6-feet in length and 125g in volume for a pair…bigger for a
trio. And even then, species selection is still key (i.e. – don’t
try to house a Naso and a Sailfin together in a 125g tank). This may
sound extreme, but viewing these animals firsthand in their natural
environment gives one a new perspective and sense of appreciation>>
You said for my system a single tang would be best. <<This is my
opinion, yes>> Is this because a 90 gallon is just too small for
2 tangs period or because of the large amount of other fish present?
<<The former…the latter merely heightens the issue>> I'm just
trying to clarify so I don't make these mistakes again in the future
<<No worries my friend…understood>> and despite all of the
research I've done here on stocking it seems like such a gray area.
<<To a large degree this is so…it is up to you to gather the
information (preferably from several sources) and then use your own
good judgment to make a decision>> Thanks again, Melissa
<<Always welcome. Eric Russell>>
R2: Stocking a 90 Gallon Tank…Three Tangs Too Much? (Yes!) –
08/07/08 I'll try your suggestions and send a new stocking
list when I get one done. <<Excellent>> I'm on the same page
with you about the sixline. He was the only fish I didn't research
before purchase and was terrible to new fish (and sometimes
existing)! <<Indeed… I have even seen this behavior demonstrated
in tanks of hundreds of gallons in volume>> Unfortunately, I lost
him with the ich and he won't be replaced. <<Perhaps a suitably
sized Halichoeres species (e.g. – H. chrysus or H. iridis)>>
Thanks, Melissa <<Be chatting! EricR>>
R3: Stocking a 90 Gallon Tank…Three Tangs Too Much? (Yes!), gather,
place FO f' – 08/07/08 8/9/08 Hi again Eric, <<Hello
Melissa>> I have revised the stocking list for my 90 gallon and
wanted to get some feedback. <<Happy to do so>> If this is
still too many I could substitute the 3 Lyretail Anthias for a Fairy
Wrasse. <<Might be a good idea, considering the rather large size
of these Anthiines>> Also, I was considering a Dragon Goby
instead of the Diamond Goby and was wondering if they generally
cause a problem in a reef tank by dropping sand on the coral. <<I
think either one will cause you grief… The Dragon Goby won’t
“crop-dust” your corals like the Diamond Goby will, but as it
matures/gets large (about 6” and very robust) it will vigorously
excavate and at times create quite the “dust cloud” as well as
disturb your DSB’s function (if you have one). Either one can also
dislodge/topple live rock if not carefully anchored/settled on the
bottom of the tank. Both are interesting and do a great job of
stirring/keeping the substrate looking good, but I’ve come to think
these fishes are more trouble than they’re worth>> I'm looking
into a 180 gallon to accommodate more tangs! <<Yay!>> Percula
Clown Yellow Tang Diamond Goby or Dragon Goby <<If you
must…I would go with the slightly smaller Diamond Goby for your
system>> Yellow-headed Jawfish <<Requires some special
considerations (best kept in a species-specific system). Do have a
read here and among the associated links:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/jawfishe.htm >> Bicolor Blenny
Scooter Blenny 5-Blue Reef Chromis Fire Fish Yellow Clown
Goby Green Clown Goby 3-Lyretail Anthias (2 female, 1 male)
<<These are a superb aquarium species, but will do better in more
space than your current 90g system>> Thanks, Melissa
<<Happy to share. Eric Russell>> |
Re: Fish Selection, FO 8/9/08 Dear WWM, Ok I
have changed my fish selection for my 90 gallon: 1) 3-5 Bartlett's
Anthias 2) Chalk Basslet 3) Rainford's Goby 4) Divided Leopard
Wrasse <Had to look this up: Macropharyngodon bipartitus bipartitus
Not an easy fish to find in good condition, or keep in captivity> 5)
Firefish <Social species... need to be kept in a group, pairs,
depending on which...> Do you think this is a good selection, the
only one I am worried about is the Divided Leopard Wrasse, but I have
read they are very peaceful? <Are... just not very hardy, adaptable
to aquarium settings. But can be kept> With the Anthias do you think
I should do a combination of females and a male, or should I just do
females? <I'd have a male for sure... or one of the group will turn
into such...> Also, what order to you think I should add them into my
tank, and how far apart should each addition be? Alex <The Labrid
and Microdesmids last... a few weeks twixt the others, these last a few
months after. Bob Fenner>
Eel, Trigger, Large Tang - Tank Size... FO stkg. f' 8/7/08
I have perused several posts in the FAQ's and I think my specific
question has not been answered, but I think I may have an idea what the
answer is: <Ok> I want to set up a tank for an eel (Zebra moray,
probably), a trigger (Rhinecanthus rectangulus, probably), and one other
fish, possibly a butterfly or a suitable tang (Convict?). <Acanthurus
triostegus? The Manini? Am out in HI currently... this is a social
species... not really happy, healthy kept individually. Maybe a Kole
instead... see WWM re> My main question concerns the size of the
tank. I have a 150 gallon that is four feet long, two feet wide, and 31
inches deep, which seems suitable in terms of volume, and offers some
options for free swimming since I plan to arrange it so there is a
continuous "track" around the outside so a fish could rapidly circle the
tank continuously without running into any obstructions. In this way it
is probably not typical of the tanks that your posts usually assume.
<Agreed, and much better> You've told many people that no tank less
than six feet long is acceptable for a trigger, <Mmm, not I... but
def. the bigger the better> and usually then you reference the size,
no smaller than 90 gals or so. To be certain about it, would you say
that a four-foot long tank offering a nearly 10 foot perimeter for free
swimming would be suitable, or would something like a six-foot 135
gallon be preferable just because of the linear distance along one side,
even though it would not be practical to have a "raceway" around the
whole tank and it would not be as deep? <Good point, and I think you
should be fine here with the species in question> As for the other
questions: Would a convict tang be likely to hold his/her own with a
rectangulus (given that I know the individuals are unpredictable and
things could always go south as the trigger grows)? Is there another
tang that would do better (preferably one that is native to Hawaii as
I'm sort of striving for a biotope if I can do it) <Yes... the
Ctenochaetus mentioned... otherwise... not hard to search your choices>
or would a saddleback or other type of butterfly be more likely?
<Mmm, not an ephippium... see WWM re better/best BF's... there's an
article or two> Will the trigger tend to control algae growth <?
No> as well as a tang would, or do they just snack on algae? I was
thinking that I needed someone to help with algae control since I won't
likely be able to keep a significant population of cleaners. Thanks,
Brad Churchill <Again, the Bristlemouth Tangs... Bob Fenner>
FO lvstkg., GIGO 8/6/08 Hi, I have a Lunar
wrasse, Niger trigger, and a Foxface. I have had the wrasse and trigger
for over 2 years, the Foxface I have had for a year. I want to get
more fish. Could you suggest what would be compatible. I know whatever I
buy should be same size or bigger than what I already have. I have a
97 gallon corner unit, with a lot of live rocks, I used to have
snails, crabs, and shrimp. The wrasse used to pluck the snails off the
glass till they disappeared. Please advise <Mmm, you may well
have trouble with the Wrasse and Trigger, even the Siganid, with any new
fish additions... as these animals are territorial, and this is really
not much space... I would rather you take a read on WWM, reference books
and ask in turn what your likely "odds" are with any given choice of
additions here. Perhaps start here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/folvstkgfaqs.htm Bob Fenner>
Fish Only Tank, 120 stkg., filtr. 7/23/08 Hey
guys thanks for your time. I am looking to convert my 120 tall to a
fo system. I would like to have a dogface puffer, niger trigger and a
Humu. <Mmm, do make sure all are getting foods> No live sand or
rock. <I would use LR...> I was wondering if this tank is big
enough for all 3. <A bit crowded psychologically, but with proper
set-up, maintenance, could be made to work> I currently have a Rena
xp3, a magnum 350 deluxe with bio wheel and a penguin 330. Would this
filtration be enough for what I hope to do. <Mmm, I would look into
other types of filtration other than canister, outside power... and have
more circulation. Likely otherwise you'll be constantly fighting the
mal-affects of nutrient accumulation> Also, is it a must to have a
skimmer? <I definitely would with this set-up, stocking> I have
been told it is not but I will need to do more frequent water changes
than if I did. <False economy... more expensive, less fun...> I
have a 35 gallon reef with a rio nano skimmer but I'm sure it would do
no good on this system. Thank you for your advice, it is greatly
appreciated. <Mmm, do a bit of reading here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htm the first Index... on FO set
ups, the second Index on Filtration... Bob Fenner>
Stkg. FO 125 7/22/08 Hey guys, just a quick question,
can a bird wrasse and a harlequin Tuskfish live together peacefully in a
125 gal? <Should, yes> There also is a porcupine puffer, antennata
lionfish, powder blue surgeonfish <The most sensitive here> and
possibly a Pinktail triggerfish? thanks!! <The lion is too likely to
get picked on, starved out by the Puffer and Trigger... Bob Fenner>
80 gallon... FO stkg., induced troubles, now and later 7/11/08
I have a clown trigger, Huma Huma trigger each about an inch big. A
clown fish (2 inches), a valentini puffer about 3 inches, 1 yellow tail
damsel, 1 Sailfin tang about (5 inches), and a dwarf lion about 2 inches
in a 80 gallon tank. <Mmm, the Clown Trigger will too likely "go
after" the Lion, the rest of the fishes, the Rhinecanthus last, here...
w/o any notice... I would remove it soon> How long before I have to
move out the triggers? <Maybe months, perhaps a year... but...>
And can I add anymore fish to it? I was looking at a flame Hawkfish
<I would remove the triggers first... The Lion will likely inhale the
Hawk, Clown, damsel... Bob Fenner>
General and specific salt water questions... FO Stocking and the nature
of, but not the, truth – 07/10/08 Hi guys, This might be
a drawn out explanation but I thought it best that you get the
background and most information as possible. I thought I had been well
educated from research and unfortunately trial and error in some cases
on maintaining salt water tanks over the years and have gotten
information from several local fish stores in my area so when I received
collaborating information it seemed good and when I got conflicting
information I tried to do some of my own research. <Quite a lead-in>
But I have ventured into areas I have no experience in recently and came
across your website and you guys seem to be the place to get the most
abundant, accurate, and detailed information. so here goes. I have
had salt water fish only tanks since 2001. started out with a 55 gallon
long with a hang on back overflow and an AMiracle sump system, I also
added a protein skimmer into the sump. had a few fish in that tank,
small ones like a clown and small angel (Koran I believe, have to
forgive its been awhile) and some blue damsels and chromis. I moved in
2003 and unfortunately during the move the frame around the tank was
broken and I did not want to chance the tank giving out so I bought a 65
gallon to replace it. I am much happier with that overall size and space
inside then the longer skinny 55. at the new place over the course of
3 1/2 years I had the clown some red leg hermit crabs, emerald crabs
(although I seem to have trouble keeping the emeralds for more then a
few months) the blue damsels and chromis( I believe only 2 each), tried
a long nosed butterfly to no avail, after I lost one chromis and the
butterfly probably 6 months apart, I ventured into more predatory fish.
The tank still had the sump and protein skimmer, probably about 10 lbs
of live rock, an equal size amount of lace rock <Some of this can be
trouble chemically> however a lot lighter of course all for
structure. <Eats bushes... then leaves?> and a crushed coral
bottom. also a powerhead with rotating arm to provide addition water
circulation. I bought a very small snowflake eel ( probably only 5
inches long and about as thin as a number 2 pencil) to go with the clown
and 3 damsels left. the fish were fed a marine flake food mostly and
about 1 - 2 times a week were given frozen mysis shrimp, live or frozen
brine shrimp, or frozen Cyclopeeze. basically a variety of other frozen
foods to supplement the flake food nutrition. the ell was fed ghost
shrimp, frozen krill, squid pieces by hand and also small goldfish
<...> that were kept and fed Cyclopeeze to help boost there nutrition
for the eel. once the eel had gotten too large to be safely kept with
the other fish ( unfortunately after the clown mysteriously disappeared)
he was transferred into a 29 gallon tank with a Fluval 300 canister
filter ( it can handle up to 75 gallons according to their information
and was overkill for the 29 gallon tank but was bought with intentions
to switch to the 65 gallon fish only tank) the snowflake thrived in
his own tank and about a year and a half ago I added a very small
Tessalata eel and a very small lion fish. <... you're joking? In a 29
gallon volume?> I just recently moved again unfortunately and donated
the damsels left back to my fish store and only kept the Volitans lion
which is now about 7 - 8 inches long and "mane" when he spreads it is
about the same, the snowflake is 15 inches long and about the thickness
of a fat highlighter, ( sorry about the crude size comparison but its
easiest I think to picture). <A good one> the Tessalata is only
about 10 to 12 inches and only about 1/2 to 2/3 the thickness of the
snowflake. I have read through some of your responses to people
questions and often tell people that their tank size is undersized for
what the have as they grow. however they have what I think is more then
adequate room to swim <Mmm, no> and I do have intentions of
upgrading the size of their tank as they grow more. the lion is now on
of the largest I have seen in person and never seen any for sale as
large as mine so I am not sure how much larger he will get but I know
the 2 eels will grow quite a bit over the next few years. I was
recently graced with a banded shark egg however as a surprise gift from
my girlfriend who just started a job at a different local fish store.
according to the people she works with they told her it would be ok for
8 months or so in that size aquarium until we save the money to upgrade.
<Mmm, no again> but to watch the "newborn" once he hatches around the
lion depending on size ratios he might be seen as food for the lion. but
he should be large enough once hatched to not be seen as food for the
eels. I have intentions <The road to heck is paved with them>
of upgrading to a 220 gallon tank she has at her store with internal
overflows, and either a separate refugium and sump or one large combined
unit underneath and transferring all 4 of those to that large tank once
its needed. my biggest questions are am I doing this all wrong????
<A bit stultified, yes... instead of "intending" to do things... there
is another POV... that is providing adequate circumstances in advance of
eventualities... Sort of like planning for retirement financially if you
will> do you think I will need a larger tank for all 4 of them?
<Definitely> I love my lion and eels <Mmm, were there time,
interest, I'd like to banter with you re def. of "love"... To me, loving
something is looking out for its best interests, not what it can/will do
for you. Is this what you have done here?> and cant wait for the
shark to hatch. these more predatory animals to me are a lot more
interesting of a fish tank to have then more standard marine fish.
<Fishes> so I am willing to go get what is needed for them to be
healthy and happy. <Oh!> space provided of course! I don't have
room or money for 500+ gallon tank just yet! also any links or advice
on a better diet or more correct diet for my lion and eels and future
little guy would be greatly appreciated. <Already posted, archived,
ready for you to read on WWM... look up the family accounts for what you
have, intend to keep...> like I said I thought I was pretty well
educated on caring for salt water fish but after reading a lot of post
on your site I am afraid I am another very under educated aquarium
hobbyist <I feel the same> Thanks for any and all help Dave
<Glad to co-conspire with you. Bob Fenner>
Re: general and specific salt water questions... Stocking and the nature
of, but not the, truth... More ludicrous stmt.s 7/11/08
Thanks for the quick response Bob. It seems that while my intentions
might have been good they have taken too long to put into action. I will
do some more research on the site for help with more proper feeding and
all but had a couple quick questions. I have gotten and seen several
differences in opinions and haven't come across an example quite like my
situation. so i thought it best to try to get a more direct answer.
At present i plan on keeping all 4. The 65 is the only tank set up at
the moment with the lion and two eels, but i still do have the 29 that i
can set back up again if needed. <Good> I would like to keep all
of them in the same tank together if its possible, but you said that the
220 will not be large enough for those 4. <Oh! It will be for a few
years. Likely the shark will perish, and the piscivorous Muraenid will
eat the other tankmates in turn during this time> from what i have
read the banded shark requires a min of 180 gallons. so what size
would i need to get or build in order to comfortably house them all
together. <... "they" really don't go together... again, please just
read re these species... Your answers are posted on WWM. The
Tesselata... gets huge, is a fish, other moray eater...> also the
possible addition of a second lion and i have had interest in a small
blue spotted stingray <... No...> ( i apologize for not knowing
the name they are always listed as spotted stingray in the LFS) but i
believe i have read in articles on your site that they stir up too much
sand for the shark. is that correct? <... please, don't write... Read
instead> so it might just come down to a second lionfish to go along
with the one i presently have, the two eels, and soon to hatch shark.
i also was wondering if i should oversize the filter setup for what size
tank i should get given they produce a lot of waste or will one suited
for the tank size be ok. one last question, i was pondering building
a large tank for these guys instead of buying one and have found loads
of info on the site and people referencing a how to section but i cant
seem to find it. can you direct me on what to look for or search for?
everything i seem to find is specific accounts or questions on what
people are currently making. is there a general guide on what's needed
and the do or don'ts? <Where you should be, have started in the first
place: http://wetwebmedia.com/WWMAdminSubWebIndex/question_page.htm
RMF> Bicolor Blenny or Wrasse?
6/19/08 Morning crew! I have spent the last few hours going
over all... well not all but most of the information on your site about
blennies/wrasse. I am currently trying to figure out which fish
<There are quite a few (hundreds) of Labrids...> to add next to my
set-up. It will either be a blenny (most likely bi-color unless a wet
web guru points me in another direction) or a Wrasse probably six line.
I am leaning more towards the blenny since I am planning on adding a
cleaner ship down the road. My tank currently is 50gallon breeder with a
2" sand bed and about 50lbs rock, also a 20gallon sump complete with a
euro-reef 6-2+ modded skimmer, refugium and working on a DSB and Chaeto
for the sump as well. Inverts: 2 small Turbos a serpent star and black
sea cucumber. The fish load is as follows: smaller Kole tang around 3.5"
pair of clowns about 2" a little chromis and an Anthias about 4" I
realize I am just about at my fish stocking limit however I feel with
such a massive skimmer on such a small system I think I can pull this
off, plus whenever the daylights are on in the tank my fish are
always! almost "schooling" together...never a foot apart from each other
(maybe they all just love each other) No major problems with this other
than the occasional chase...but no tail nipping or damaged fins. So now
for the official questions! Would a bi-color fare well in this set-up?
<Likely so... esp. if there's sufficient rock work/cover> Are they/is
there a hardier type of blenny that would fit my set-up? <... an
Ecsenius species is a good choice for such a small volume> I find
blennies very very cool! I like how they swim and how they have
camouflage patters to help them blend in. I realize the bi-color is a
comb-tooth species of blenny, do you think the blenny and the Kole tang
would go after each other due to algae territory? <Likely not> I
keep the Kole very well fed with an algae clip and he's always picking
at the glass (I read this is something else the bicolor would do). Would
you recommend a different kind of blenny? Would adding a blenny/wrasse
to the current set up pose a risk of overstock? <No, no> If so I
could remove the Anthias or chromis to accommodate a new addition. I
would like to her some expert opinion and advice on which fish to add
next to my tank. <... too many choices> If I opted to not add a
cleaner shrimp down the road would a six line be a better choice
overall?... <No> I'm kind of at a crossroad here and need some
help/advice. Thanks again for the amazing website and plethora of
information on your site, it really has helped me out greatly. <Am
glad you're enjoying, gaining from our efforts. Bob Fenner>
(no subject)- stocking? 6/13/08 What livestock
would you recommend me putting in my 55 gallons tank? <Heeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Fresh, brackish... wha? Keep reading... BobF>
50 Gallons of fish in a 5-Gallon Pail - 6/13/08 I have a 55
gallon tank. Would I be able to put a small maroon clown, a baby Huma
Huma, and a baby porcupine puffer in there? <Most certainly not.
These fish would fight and be too crowded from the beginning, as they
grew the problem would only become worse. Heavy feeding to sustain these
fish would require tremendous water changes frequently. Also, please use
punctuation and standard English syntax/grammar. It saves us time and
effort, and do remember these will be archived for posterity on our
website. Thanks much, Benjamin>
Compatibility, Large Tank, Large
Angels, Butterflies, Stocking. - 6/7/08 *Bob or others, take a look,
comment.* I
know I am annoying you guys so much but I just want to have a perfect
tank... <Don't we all? No annoyance to answer questions, it's what
we're here for.> please see that will these fish live happily
together in an 800 gallon tank with plenty of hiding places and food.
<I envy your huge tank! Let's see about these fish...> 1 blue-ring
angelfish 5-6 in 1 emperor angel 5-6in 1 majestic angel 5-6 in
1 Blueface angel 5-6 in 1 queen angel 6-7 in 1 Koran angel 7-8
inches 2 flame angels 3-4 in 4 regal tang 2-3 in 2 yellow tang
3-4in 2 purple tang 3-4 in 1 Desjardin sailfin tang 4-5 in 1
powder blue tang 3-4 inches 1 Dussumieri tang 5-6 inches 1 Naso
tang 5-6 inches 3 falcula butterflyfish 3-4 in 2 golden
butterflyfish 3-4 in 3 Bannerfish 3-4 inches 2 sandsifting gobies
3-4 in 1 magnificent rabbitfish 5-6 in 2 niger triggers 3-4 in
1 black trigger 5-6 in 1 male blue throat trigger 5-6 in 2 cleaner
wrasse Now I know it seems a bit overstocking <It is, and more
than a bit, in my opinion> but I know from sources that most fish
don't reach their adult size in captivity no matter what size aquarium.
<This might be because in an overstocked system they won't live long
enough! Ignore this source...they are wrong. Furthermore, the greatest
measure of stocking is not in inches of fish, but in psychological
interactions. No matter how big a filter you have, fish will feel
crowded...you're going to be dealing with stressed fish, and therefore
lowered immune systems. Territorial doesn't begin to describe some of
these fish, and they may fight or refuse to feed from the beginning>
Also about the cleaner wrasse, there will be so many fish they can feed
off of and will not have food problems. I have specifically ordered this
aquarium for the angelfish because people say you need a big one to keep
this many. <A very big one.> And also my petshop has around 8
large angelfish species in their display and they never had problems for
2 years. <Very short time compared to the lifespan of a marine
angelfish.> My LFS is reliable and can specifically order a specimen
for me. They will even keep it for 2-3 weeks after the payment to ensure
that the customer receives a good specimen. I will design my tank to
have many hiding places at the back 18 inches or so and leave the
front with only some decoration so that the fish have both hiding and
swimming places. <I would provide cover in the form of live rock
structure through most of the tank- pillars and arches will provide
cover and swimming space. 18" of rock wall at the back simply won't
house all these territorial fish.> Please tell me your opinion on
this... <I think you're probably shooting for more than is possible
here, but you certainly have an opportunity for a very, very neat
aquarium. I'm not experienced enough with large aquaria to say exactly
what I might put in here, or if your plan is entirely unfeasible- I'll
flag this so that another crew member can comment as well.> thank you
<Welcome. Benjamin>
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