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Regarding Freshwater Stingrays'
Babies. 7/15/08
Hello,
Can you advise me as to how to take care of new born babies of PLE14?
<I assume you mean Potamotrygon species P 14; I've never heard of 'PLE14'
but I admit my knowledge of these animals is hardly encyclopaedic!>
What kind of procedures should I follow?
<Same as the adults, though removing the adults, particularly the male, is
recommended.>
I have almost a dozen of new born babies which came from the breeding of
PLE10 and PLE14.
When they were born, the babies seems to be in good conditions, however
after a couple of days they started behaving weirdly.
<Well done on getting the babies!>
Some of them start having fin curl issues, some start leaking sticky
substance from their bodies.
<Ah, this is the tricky bit with all livebearers, whether Stingrays or
Guppies -- getting the babies is easy, rearing them in good numbers is
difficult.>
Have checked the water ph (is around pH 7), changed the water gradually to
get it slightly more acidic, temperature was normal (around 27 degrees
Celsius), with filters and heaters. Everything seem to be in good condition.
<I wouldn't mess with water chemistry. It doesn't matter much to Stingrays.
What matters to them is water quality (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate) first
and pH stability second. Changing the pH, even to a nominally optimal value,
can stress them. Moreover, as with any freshwater fish, changing the pH
without changing the hardness as well is pointless and likely to cause pH
instability.>
The adults rays were in the same pond but they don't have any issues,
however the babies seems to be having a very tough time, in fact a few of
them have already passed on.
<For a start I'd concentrate on keeping water chemistry stable and water
quality optimal. I'd be tempted to isolate the juveniles, and perhaps the
females as well (the male Stingrays, like male Guppies, can be quite
persistent re: mating, and in the process can stress, even damage, the
females.>
Please advise what should I do to prevent the others from becoming the same
way.
<Can you tell me a bit about the pond, i.e., capacity, pH, general/carbonate
hardness? Do also review the substrate. While Stingrays definitely prefer
sand on the bottom of the tank, there's some experience to suggest sand can
trap dirt and/or bacteria and cause problems. While adults may be relatively
resistant if the sand is kept clean, juveniles may be more sensitive. This
is certainly the case with many other benthic fish, for example juvenile
catfish.>
Thank you very much.
Regards,
Qianling
<Good luck, Neale.>
Re: Regarding Freshwater Stingrays'
Babies. – 07/16/08
Hi Neale,
Thanks for the prompt reply! :)
<You're welcome.>
We have removed the babies from the main pond, to avoid adults having conflicts
with them.
<Good. Do also try and separate the female for a while, so she can "fatten up" a
bit.>
The ponds that we shifted the babies to is 4ft long 2 ft wide 2ft depth (6 in
one and 5 in the other), the pond for adults is 18ft long 10ft wide 2ft depth
(total 8 adults within it).
<Sounds great.>
There is no substrate at all, totally clear water. pH was around 7.2.
<All good.>
We did put in the pandan plant to minimise the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate
issue.
<Hmm... is it possible some pesticide spray came in with this plant? Also
remember that things like ceramic plant pots can carry various residues into the
aquarium too.>
Temp is around 26.5 ~ 27 degree Celsius.
<OK.>
Adults pond have 1 big and 2 small filters. Babies ponds don't have filter at
this moment.
<Ah, this isn't going to work in the long term... or even the short term. I'd
have at the very least a decent canister filter working here.>
All ponds do not have heater as my country's (Singapore) climate is pretty warm
unless there's storm in the night then perhaps the water temp might be slight
cooler.
<Sounds fine.>
What other things should we take note of?
<Nothing obviously remiss here, except the lack of filter on the pond with the
juvenile fish. I'd perhaps check the nitrite/nitrate levels first, and then also
consider whether the diet offered to the juveniles is sufficiently balanced. Do
also consider extrinsic factors, e.g., pesticide sprays, paint fumes, cooking
fumes. Use of activated charcoal to remove any potential toxins from the water
might be worthwhile if these are suspected. Consider running tests for chlorine
and copper, both of which are very toxic to Stingrays, and likely more so to
juveniles than adults.>
Please advise.
<There's really not much more to say. Generally if Stingrays are happy, they
breed. And if water conditions are good enough for breeding, the juveniles are
comparatively easy to rear. You could separate off one or two of the youngsters
to an aquarium where you can control water quality/chemistry more easily.>
Thank you very much!! :)
Regards,
Qianling
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Regarding Freshwater
Stingrays' Babies. 7/17/2008
Hi Neale,
Again Thank you!! :)
<Most welcome.>
Will inform my dad about all these issues that he has to take note
of. He's still considered as a newbie in rearing stingrays though he
does have a few more experience people with him however they seem
totally unsure what to do about the babies.
<Very good. The thing is to experiment. Healthy fish will produce
many batches of babies, so you can test out different ideas each
time until you find a system that works for you.>
You have been a fascinating help!! :)
Last question that got me seriously curious about these rays..
<Yes?>
How does one feed them one by one? using hand? or those stick like
thing to put the food in? Won't they be uncomfortable with the stick
like thing?
<Simply placing live foods at the bottom of the aquarium should be
enough to get the juveniles feeding. Bloodworms and other small
invertebrates would be the ideal. Small earthworms seem to be
especially favoured by Stingrays (and indeed fish generally!).
Frozen foods may work too. Surprisingly perhaps, I find using
forceps or other tools to hand feed fish works rather well. Fish
seem to accept an inanimate object much more readily than me
sticking my arm into the tank.>
Oops another... Can the babies eat what the adults are eating?
<Pretty much the same stuff, but smaller in size of course.>
Thank you very much!! :)
Regards,
Qianling
<You are welcome! Good luck, and how about some photos? Cheers,
Neale.>
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Stingray question, FW, ID, sexing... 5/22/07
Hello
<Morrow>
I was wondering if I would be able to send you a couple of pictures.
<Certainly>
I purchased a teacup stingray from a local pet store, which I believe to be a
motoro. Wondering if you could confirm. I also think "it" is a girl, but would
like to know for certain :)
<Sure... just send a few pix showing the underside...>
I really enjoyed reading your article on wetweb media and have bookmarked it for
future reference.
Have a wonderful day ;)
Stefanie
<You as well. Bob Fenner> |
Re: stingray question, ID, sex 5/22/07
Thank you very much.
<Welcome>
Here are the pictures. Let me know if you need more.
<Thank you... this is a female... and... though I can't be sure,
appears to be a Potamotrygon reticulata... now synonymized with
P. orbignyi... though the one pic (dorsally) almost appears to
be P. marinae (only found in Fr. Guyana...). BobF>
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Stefanie |
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Good
substrate choice and useful ceramic plate/feeding station |
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