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Pleco... chatting... Referral
please, PLEASE! 2/17/08
Hi Neale,
I went into the fish shop today and saw a 30cm Pleco and just had to get it -
now it's in my 10 gallon (just for today quarantine) as when I was going to put
it in the 200 I saw a few white spots on it. Do you think it will be ok for
today in the 10 gallon, I
only put it in there because I wanted to watch it to see if it showed any signs
of distress and if those white spot grow, or if it's just because when the lady
was putting it in the bag it got tangled in her net and she pulled it out of the
net rather then cut it out. She was also handling it roughly, so I put it in the
10 gallon just to make sure it doesn't any infections. Will be moving it out of
there tomorrow morning. Do you think it will be ok in there for tonight. Also,
it's HUGE so how many wafers do I feed it?
Thanks, Neervana
<I'd put a fish this size into a bigger tank than 10 gallons, even for
quarantining. If that means putting it with the Pictus and the Bala Sharks, then
so be it, but have Whitespot medication to hand and treat at the first sign of
disease. If you put it in the small, immature tank you may end up poisoning the
fish (ammonia, nitrite) and having to deal with Finrot/Fungus. Don't see any
advantage to that. As for food, the golden rule with all Plecs is to focus on
the vegetables rather than pellets. I'd stick in sliced carrot, sweet potato,
potato, courgette, or cucumber as often as required. Soft vegetables usually go
overnight, but carrots often take a few nights. Save the algae wafers for 1-2
nights per week, and provide 3-4 of them. Once every couple of weeks add a nice
little bit of seafood: maybe a prawn, shelled mussel, or piece of white fish.
Common Plecs are omnivores, and the more varied the diet, the better. The main
thing is that they always have some vegetables to eat at night. A bit of bogwood
is also useful as a source of fibre. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Pleco 2/17/08
Hi Neale,
I did as you said and put the Plec in with the Bala sharks and the pictus. Good
thing I did it early because after him being in the tank for so many hours he
has defecated everywhere and I couldn't even see the water clearly, it was
really messy!
<Yikes!>
So now he is in the 200 gallon tank, he looks fine - He is still a dark black
colour which is a good sign, right? I read on one of your FAQs that their colour
changes from darker to paler when they are stressed and don't like the water
quality.
<Perhaps; does rather depend on the species though.>
I think that it wasn't whitespot, but just some prickly things on his back, the
armour maybe? Because it looks like a stripy pattern of dots all over his body,
in lines.
Anyway, the pictus loves him and will lie down beside him, and when he moves,
the pictus moves as well!!! It looks like they are schooling together! He keeps
on chasing the sharks really frantically, and the pictus is behind him as well.
<Sounds like they're happy.>
I'm getting a bit worried as the sharks keep jumping out of the water and I can
hear them hitting the hood of the tank and then thumping back down again. I hope
he settles in, the sharks look really scared.
<Getting more Bala Shark specimens might help. Also try adding floating plastic
plants. There are some excellent ones out at the moment for about £12 that are 3
feet long. The leaves float along the top. Fish are less less likely to jump out
of tanks with plants at the top.>
I was reading about Discus fish online, and I was wondering how many I could put
in that 640 litre tank I ordered?
<A school of at least half a dozen specimens would work well in there.>
Also, would not mind buying a pair of the blue Discus. I would like to buy them
as I have never had them in an aquarium before. Would they be able to live with
Silver Dollars?
<Discus are best kept alone, or failing that, with very peaceful tankmates.
Cardinal tetras work well, and as far as catfish go, *the* Corydoras for the
Discus tank is the warm water-tolerant species Corydoras sterbai. But I'd get a
bit more experienced under your belt with your new catfish first. Also consider
carefully whether you have the right water chemistry, and also if the nitrate
level is sufficiently low (20 mg/l or less) out of the tap. Discus are sensitive
to high-nitrate, high-hardness water. Cheers, Neale.>
Freshwater silica
sand/substrate question(s) 1/19/08
Mates,
<Hello,>
Thanks for the all the help in the past and, generally, for keeping this site
active and (extremely) useful.
<Cool.>
I am setting up a 120g freshwater tank, to house rainbows, Congo tetras, various
Plecos and a few Corys.
<Hmm... be careful with the "various plecs" idea -- not all of them play nicely
together.>
I've got them all in a 50g right now, with HOB AquaClear (way oversized for
current application), silica sand substrate from home depot, healthy amount of
Mopani wood and some lace rock. A few freshwater plants for decoration...java
moss and water lettuce. Everyone is happy. No casualties at any time...been good
for about 9 months now. Plecos have been much less nocturnal recently...to me, a
good sign they are starting to feel comfortable in their current home.
<Indeed.>
On new tank (don't know if it matters, but I'll give it out anyways), planning
on dual internal overflow boxes from glass-holes.com with 1.5" holes on both,
sump below with filter sock for mechanical filtration, FBF for biological (don't
want bio-balls/bio-bale...too much commotion and trying to avoid as much CO2
loss as I can...it will be moderately planted with primarily low input
plants...FBF just seems like the best fit), return pump either an Eheim
submersible or pan world external. 240w t-5 full spectrums. I am planning on
keeping plants on Mopani driftwood (like Anubias, java moss, java fern) and in
pots, probably not going to drop anything directly into the substrate.
<My feeling here is CO2 is a waste with very slow growing plants like these.
Their growth is slow enough the ambient CO2 in plain water will be adequate. As
you probably know, CO2 is something you need to add to brightly-lit tanks
because the fast-growing plants need the CO2 for photosynthesis to keep up with
amount of light. Your selection of plants live in shade and don't like a lot of
light (Anubias tends to get covered in algae). Java fern also seems to thrive in
hard, even brackish, water and likely removes carbon from bicarbonate in the
water anyway. Since CO2 is toxic to fish if not dosed carefully, I'd balance any
benefits against the potential risks.>
This tank will probably be converted to reef tank in a few years...trying to
plan for that during freshwater set up, but treat the freshies appropriately
now. (Any other suggestions/warnings on the set up are appreciated).
<Above.>
Anyhow, I realized this week how much substrate it was going to take to fill up
the tank. It is about 8 square feet...at 3" deep, that's about 2 square feet of
substrate. That is a ton (well, not literally). Probably in the neighborhood of
150lbs of sand. For river sand/cafe sand/beach sand, that is gonna be around
$160 at the local LFS.
<Yikes!>
Now, as mentioned above, I've used the #30 silica sand from home depot. it is
just listed as industrial sand, but states on the back purity in excess of 99.?%
silica sand. I've used in two tanks with Corys, Plecos, aquatic dwarf frogs, and
never had any issues (no casualties, no evidence of barbel/gill/skin/scale
damage of any kind), other than it takes for ever to rinse and about a week to
clear up once it is in the tank. I read in the Neale Monks article (great name
by the way - "Nice Bottoms") that you have to watch out for 'sharp' silica...I
have no idea how to tell if it is sharp or not. Can you help me on this?
<Sharp sand is a specific grade of sand used in horticulture at least for
providing good drainage in potting compost mixes. It's also used in building
work of various kinds. The grains are angular rather than rounded, and it feels
sharp or scratchy to the touch. Smooth silica sand, the kind used in aquaria,
has a lovely silky feel.>
As well, there are two different grades - #20 and #30. I combed through the
internet (got to love google) but couldn't really find an explanation as to
grades and granule sizes. From what I could gather, #20 granule is bigger than
#30 granule. Is this right?
<No idea. Provided the sand is smooth, the size of the grains couldn't matter
less really. I suppose bigger sand grains would be better in some ways, since
they're less likely to get swooshed about into the water column when fish swim
by. (And big fish really do kick the stuff up into the tank!)>
Obvious, I'd want to go with the largest granules I can get to minimize dangers
of compacting/anaerobic decay/nasty gases.
<This issue at least is largely irrelevant. Anaerobic decay is a bit of an
exaggerated problem. If you're not planting anything, then you don't really need
much sand anyway. In deep sand beds, any anaerobic decay mostly breaks down
nitrate (a good thing, encouraged in marine tanks!) and any H2S produced reacts
virtually at once with oxygen should it get into the water column and has little
real impact on fish health. Go visit a pond and see how much anaerobic decay
there is there... and yet the fish are fine.>
Last, and off topic but something I've always wondered, would a protein
skimmer provide any benefit to a freshwater set up?
<Generally no. A standard skimmer requires a certain amount of salinity to work
at all. Brackish systems at SG 1.010 seem to be about the minimum. If the
salinity is too low, the bubbles don't stick together and you don't get the
froth. There are freshwater skimmers, but they're rather different (and bigger)
and used primarily for ponds. Besides, in a freshwater system, water changes are
so cheap that you may as well use them for nitrate control. Few freshwater fish
are particularly sensitive to nitrate, so provided you keep things below 20
mg/l, you're fine, even with Discus or Tanganyikans. By contrast, marine
aquarists generally want to maintain much lower nitrate levels than that. Bottom
line, there's no particular need for skimmers in freshwater tanks.>
Thanks. Paul in San Diego.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: freshwater silica
sand/substrate question(s) 1/20/08
Neale, thanks for the response. A follow up if I may.
<Hello again,>
I wasn't planning on adding CO2. haven't on past tanks and don't plan to do so
on future tanks. I like the way my tanks look...I'm more of a Walstad guy than
an Amano guy. I've got a 10g Walstad style tank that is the easiest tank to care
for that I have ever owned, by a significant margin, and I am very pleased with
the appearance (so are the inhabitants...no casualties and impressive growth
from variety of fish). So I'm not sure what you meant by the discussion re:
CO2...was that in response to my comment that I was trying to minimize CO2 loss
(aka out-gassing?)?
<Misread the original e-mail. Oops.>
On another thread, do you think the FBF is the best route, or would you have
another suggestion? I really want whatever gets used to be in the sump to
minimize clutter in the tank itself.
<Use whatever meets your budget and interests. With freshwater fish, the sort of
filter you use doesn't matter enormously. Water changes have a bigger impact on
water quality, and manipulating water chemistry is more important if you're
breeding fish or keeping demanding species. Yes, some filters can become
"nitrate factories" if not maintained, and yes, some filters interfere with
plant growth. But these are all fairly trivial issues that can be worked around
easily. If you want to experiment with the sump using marine-grade filtration,
then by all means do so, but there's unlikely to be any dramatic impact on water
quality.>
As for Plecos, I took a risk with two gold nuggets (who can be territorial), but
even in their present tank, they are peaceful and often hang out in the same
cave (one is about 4", the other about 2", so maybe the 4" doesn't see the
smaller one as a threat...I also considered they may be M/F, but noticing a near
dearth of information about successful breeding in captivity, that idea quickly
faded...).
<Breeding plecs is a relatively uncommon event (though Ancistrus at least are
easy to breed. I'd experiment.>
The rest (queen arabesque, royal, king tiger and galaxy/vampire) are rather
mellow and 'play nice.'
<So far... I have heard some horror stories of one plec scraping off the skin
from another as they fight over living space. On the other hand, I've seen plecs
of different species become very friendly, sharing burrows amicable, even
following one another around. Some plecs at least are schooling fish in the
wild, even if territorial in captivity, so it likely depends on a variety of
factors we can't altogether control. Be vigilant.>
Might be different story when they get bigger, but they are about to get a much
larger tank, which I am hopeful will fully mitigate any potential problem.
<Sounds like a plan.>
As for sand, I'll just use the feel test.
thanks
<Cheers, Neale.>
Moving a Pleco 5/15/07
I came across your web site and found that it is full of great info for the
new/inexperienced fish enthusiast.
<Good>
My question is "Is it possible to physically move cross country) with a
Pleco?"
<Yes>
I started with a 10 gal tank, a few fish and this tiny 1 inch Pleco about 4
years ago. Since then, my Pleco (Jaws) has moved from 10 gal to 20 gal to his
new home of 55 gal. He is now 12 inches long.
<Neat>
The 55 gallon tank is full of fish and Jaws - I am sure he will continue to grow
with this new amount of space.
<Likely so... a Pterygoplichthys sp.... See the Net... get much larger>
My family is in the military and our time at our current location is coming to
an end and we will have to move soon. I just can't imagine giving my
Pleco
away. He has his own personality and is like part of the family. The
remaining fish in the tank, I can give to friends.
Is it possible to move my Pleco or best to find him a new home - I have read he
can live for many many years....
Thanks,
Julie
<Mmm, yes... Well either you can "live haul" your pet with you (bagged,
oxygenated and boxed for thermal insulation) for a couple of days... or in an
open container, with attention paid to switching out some water, starving the
animal a few days before moving... Or consider leaving it behind to be shipped
(perhaps by a friendly LFS) once you're resituated, and the system is up and
going. Please read here re:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/movelvstkfaqs.htm
the same principles, techniques apply to freshwater. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Pleco... something - 02/16/2006
Dear Crew,
One of my Plecos looks like it is losing its color on top of his head. My
other Pleco is fine. My water levels are perfect. The spot looks like it is
turning white. It is not little specks of white just a big white blotch on its
head. Can you please tell me what it is and what I should do for it? All my
other fish are just fine.
Thanks
Alexia Galindo
<... not with this little information. Please see WWM re Loricariids:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/loricariids.htm
The files linked at top, re Systems, Disease... Bob Fenner>
More Myths About Livestock Scratching Acrylic Tanks - 11/18/05
I recently bought a 220gal Tenecor tank (72X24X24) with the Simplicity Plus system with the intention of setting up a FOWLR system. I originally wanted to buy a shark, but after reading your site, I realized that this tank is simply too small for one.
<<Yes, and shaped wrong too.>>
I would like to put a couple of triggers in though, maybe a Blue Throat and a Picasso.
<<Cool! I have a Blue Throat in my Tenecor 375.>>
The guy at my LFS said that triggers sometimes scrape their teeth along the sides of the tank, and since this is an acrylic tank, I thought I'd better check. I've never read about this behavior, have you?
<<Nope...probably falls in to the same category as the stories about the Ctenochaetus genus of tangs scratching acrylic tanks with their teeth...mostly wives tales.
>>
<<Did you bring this up with your wife? MH>>
I think you need not worry...and believe me when I say...YOU will put far more scratches in the tank than any fish!>>
Thanks!
Robert in Texas
<<Welcome, EricR in South Carolina>>
>Mmm, do agree with the hobbyists
causing more scratches... but have seen trigger-made scrapes in acrylic... and a
Pleco-destroyed one recently. RMF<125g Plant Tank, Inhabitants, Compatibilities - 10/22/2005
- Sabrina Learns Hawai'ian - 10/23/05
Hi,
<Aloha! Sabrina with you today, soon to be leaving Hawai'i to head back home....>
Thanks for all your help in the past in assisting me with my F/W Planted Discus aquarium. It has been set up now for about three months and has been doing well. I just have a few short questions. First I'll give you the tank specs.
* 125 Gallon tank- glass
* 1 -Rena XP3 Canister Filter
* 1 -48" Coralife Double Bulb Compact Fluorescent Light
* 1- 24" All-Glass Double Bulb fluorescent Light
* 100-150 Assorted Live Plants
* 2- Large Pieces of Driftwood
* 3-4" of a Mix of Fluorite and Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate
* 2- 300 Watt Via Aqua Steel Thermometers
* 6- Small/Medium Discus- about 3-4"
* 6- Lemon Tetras
* 20- Cardinal Tetras
* 6- "Golden Wonder" Killies- about 2"
* 20- Grass Shrimp
* 50 Small Snails- I tried to keep them out of the tank!
* 2-Large Common Plecos- 6"
* 1- Small Common Pleco
* 2-Clown Plecos
* 6- Assorted Small Corydoras Cats (Julii, Emerald, Panda)
* 6- Dwarf African Frogs
* 12- "Oto" Cats
* pH- 7
* Nitrate- 20ppm
* Nitrite- 0ppm
* Ammonia- 0ppm
* 30% Water Change every Saturday
So, my questions are these:
Can I add six German Blue Rams to the mix?
<Mm, in all honesty, I would not.>
Also, can I add six more Corydoras Cats and two more "Bushy Nose" Plecos?
<The Corys, yes, but the plecs I would be a bit concerned about, since you already have several of two species. If you add these, do so with extreme caution and be prepared to remove immediately.>
What is the best way to remove a green mat algae- I think it's Cyanobacteria?
<Mostly just nutrient control.... In your case, you might want to explore the amount of light, needs of your plants, amount of
CO2 and fertilization you use.... I heartily recommend a book called "Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants" by (don't laugh) Peter Hiscock (I love that name, really I do!). You can likely gain a lot from this book. Aside from that, it's a pleasant read.>
Thanks, -Anthony
<Ahuiho! -Sabrina>
Pleco donation 7/13/05
Hello WWM crew!
<Hi there>
I am looking for ideas on where to donate a Pleco that
is too big. I want to find him (his name is Harley) a
good home. I wish I had known when I got him how big
he would get. He is about 14" long and we've had him
for several years. We have a 50 gallon tank and he is
cramped in there with other fish. We don't have enough
money to buy anything bigger. Do you have any
suggestions of safe homes or places where there would
be a mutual benefit? Thank you for any help you have
to offer,
Rain and Harley
<Mmm, you could try a local public aquarium if there is one... Or the local
tropical fish society (likely listed on the Net)... maybe place an advert. at
your local fish stores, or even ask them for a trade for a couple of smaller
Plecostomus. Bob Fenner>
Re: Donated Pleco 7/14/05
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I
had not thought of the aquarium. I tried the zoo, but
they said they don't take animals that don't have
known histories. I appreciate the thoughts - Rain and
Harley
<Thank you for your concern, sharing. Bob Fenner>
Pleco ID
Where can I find out what type of Pleco I have as it does not seem to match
any photos on the net? Can I send you a photo? <The best site for all info
covering Plecos is planetcatfish.com. I'd be happy to take a look. Don>
Thanks
Chetna
The Start of Something Big
We have just bought a spotted Plecostomus about 5cms long, the tank was set
up in July with three tetra's. Having finally got the green light with the water
testing we got the fish that I had been hankering after. There was a fair amount
of algae in the tank mainly brown and we have two plants, bogwood and stone. I
have put in Algae wafer and live feed. <OK to the wafers, but what "live" food?
They will take small worms, but I'd stay away from them. Try zucchini, cucumber,
squash, carrots. And a raw shrimp a few times a month. Attach to a rock and feed
just before the lights go out. They are much more active at night> Scooby seems
to be constipated as there is a long trail of poop hanging down when he is glass
sucking. <Well phrased> I do not have a quarantine tank. We are starting small
due to space limitations. I read your site and will try the defrosted frozen
pea, <A good food> but I am unable to starve him! Any other ideas? <Yep, stop
worrying! Plecos are poop machines! Very normal to see what you're seeing. I'm
not really sure what species you have. There are a few type of Plecos with
"spotted" in their name. And the Common Pleco usually has a spotted pattern. If
you have a Common he will be "decorating" your tank more and more as he grows.
They get big, over a foot, to eighteen inches! You haven't seen anything yet!
Don>
Thank you for your help
Sara
A Sick Pleco
Hello,
I just recently emptied my 29 gallon tank and cleaned it while I was
redecorating my bedroom. Two days after I had the tank up and running
again, my parent's cleaning lady found my 7+ inch Plecostomus, that I
have had for 3 years, laying on the carpet. She put it in a bowl of
water, changed the water twice then when I got home about 4 hours later
I put the fish back in the tank. Today I noticed what looks like blood
dripping off the fins and sore spots on the stomach area. I have read on
the internet about Septicemia and Red Pest. I don't know what to do with
him (or her). Can you help?
< Any time fish are handled the hand or net needs to be wet. Anything dry
removes the fishes protective slime that prevents them from bacterial
infections. The bouncing around on the carpet sounds like it removed quite a bit
of the fish's protective slime. Make sure the water is clean by servicing the
filter and do a 30% water change. Treat with Nitrofuranace and use a water
conditioner with a protective coating in it to help replace the fishes
slime.-Chuck>
Jill
Pleco Feeding Basics
Hi Don - First of all, I need to let you know that I've tried to go to the
forum but get an error every time. <Zo, you reading this? Try again. some
features do hang up once in a while> I have also read the FAQ's all over the
website but cannot find anything about aquarium salt. <??? talked about all the
time> I have, once when I started losing fish and cleaned the tank and did a
complete water change, added 2 tablespoons as it says on the box. <OK> I had
never heard of this before but was instructed to do so by the fish store. <Good
as a rule. Some fish are salt intolerant, catfish among them. But a tbls per
gallon is OK.> Also, when I did my 50% partial water change yesterday, I added 1
tablespoon, having not even thought about it between times. <Steady is best in
all thing having to do with your water. Once you start you should replace with
water changes. Not in top off water. Salt does not evaporate.> I have been doing
a 50% water change and daily vacuuming since your email of 10/13. <Wow, better
than me> All three fish seem to be doing fine except my Pleco won't eat the
zucchini <Strange. I assume you have the Common Pleco. They usually tear it
apart. Try a raw shrimp, fed the same way, after we get done with the cycling.>
and my local fish store is out of algae wafers! But he must be eating something
because he's growing and still with us. He's "shy" but he's always been that
way. <normal>
I know from other FAQ's that it takes sometimes a month or more for the tank to
cycle so I'm patiently changing water and vacuuming; but just today the
alkalinity level has dropped from 120 (ideal) to 80 (moderate), and the ph level
has risen from 7.2 (neutral) to 7.8 (alkaline). This was AFTER I did the water
change. I have not added any salt today. Otherwise, the nitrate level has
dropped to between 20 and 0 (safe<Yep, it is>); nitrite level is still between
1.0 and 3.0 (stress <leading to death>); and ammonia is .25 (safe<No way!>). My
source water readings are: nitrate 0-20; nitrite 0; hardness 150; alkalinity
120; ph 6.8; ammonia .25.
Should I add a C-100 water purifier? Says it prevents new tank syndrome and
removes ammonia. I obviously have new tank syndrome but ammonia is "safe". <No
it's not> Also what about the salt? <I would keep about one tbls per gallon in
with the goldfish. Not needed or wanted by the Pleco, but that level will not
hurt him> Thanks much for your help and I'll keep trying to get to the forum.
<Please>
Robin
<Robin, you do have new tank syndrome, but not for long. Hang in there. Things
will become much easier soon. Be aware, there is no such thing as a safe level
of ammonia or nitrite. You have it in you tap because your water is treated with
a combination of ammonia and chlorine called chloramine. Your dechloinator is
breaking the bond between them and removing the chlorine. The only way to remove
the ammonia is thru a bio filter. You'll have that when the tank is done
cycling.> Don>
Pleco Feeding
Hi there,
I have both a 5 inch Arowana and a 4 inch Pleco. <Two very big fish as adults.
That Arowana will out grow a 500 gallon tank. The Pleco can grow to 18".> As
much as possible I make sure that the water in the tank is crystal clear and
free from algae and poop. <Great> I change the water every week (25%). <That may
be good. Test for nitrate. Adjust the schedule to keep below 20ppm>
How will I know that this Pleco/tank cleaner/algae eater fish will survive and
have enough food/algae to eat? <He will not unless you target feed him> The
water is already clean and free from algae. It has been a three weeks now and
the Pleco is still alive <and very hungry I bet> but only positions itself in
one corner of the aquarium (sometimes on top, sometimes on the bottom of that
same corner). <Normal for a Pleco. Far more active at night.>
The only one that I feed with Hikari food sticks and dried krill is the Arowana.
<Great! Stay away from feeder fish> I do not know if the Pleco will be fine by
itself without me feeding it. <Of course it depends on the size of the tank, but
few produce enough to feed a Pleco. Target feed at night by offering assorted
vegetables attached to a rock. Zucchini, cucumber, carrots, squash are all good
foods. A small cocktail shrimp fed in the same way is also good. Remove any
uneaten in the AM. Hikari makes an algae wafer that you can feed as a staple.
Always feed at night, in the dark.>
Thanks,
Antonio
<Unless you have a massive tank I would suggest you trade the Arowana for some
other fish. Even the Pleco will need 100 gallons in time. The Arowana needs a
pond size tank. Don>
Pleco Feeding Basics
Good morning, Don and thanks for answering me so fast. A stupid question,
maybe, <Not!> but I need some clarification re feeding my Pleco: zucchini - I'm
assuming you mean steamed and kind of squishy? <I feed mine raw veggies. Many
here recommend a light blanching first. Never cook to the point of squishy> Do I
chop it up in tiny little pieces, <no> or leave a small piece intact so he can
suck away? <Leave it in a chunk that he can chew on. Attach it to a rock to keep
it on the bottom. I spear mine on a long thin piece of slate. Rubberbands will
work. Do not use metal twist ties. Remove any uneaten in the AM.> Not sure what
you mean but with all the problems I'm having with water, etc I want to give
these fish every opportunity for survival! Also, since he prefers to feed at
night, should I just feed all the fish at night? <No. Just the catfish> How do
I ensure that when I drop in a brine shrimp pellet, my Pleco gets some of
it? <Drop it in just before you go to bed and the tank is in total darkness.
The others will sleep while the Pleco feeds.> Also, re the algae tablets, do the
other fish eat this as well or is that something that only the Pleco will want?
<Your goldfish will nibble at them, maybe gobble them up.> Re the peas for the
Pleco, my two goldies gobble it up as soon as it hits the water. How do I ensure
the Pleco gets some because there seems to be nothing left of the peas at all.
<Feed in the dark. If the goldies still get them, switch to a chunk of zucchini,
squash, carrot etc., too big for them to swallow. Go light on this, and all
feeding, until we get the tank cycled. If he comes out during the day to take
flake or pellets, then I'd hold of target feeding him until that cycle is
going.> Sorry if these questions are stupid <Not at all> but please remember,
I'm a complete novice! Thanks very much - Robin
<Robin, have you joined us in the forum yet? Please do. There you will find many
people, and get many opinions, on every aspect of the hobby. You can learn a lot
from just reading the old posts. Hope to see you there. I'm "Fish Soup" in the
forum. Don>
Plecos won't suck for long
Can you give me any idea as to why our Plecos keep dying? I did research
your web site and cannot seem to find anything other than an article suggesting
that we tear the tank apart, remove the gravel and start over again.
We have only one large goldfish in a 20 gallon tank and every time we add a new
Pleco, it lives for about 5-6 days and then I find it dead! Any thoughts you
have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your assistance,
Sherry
< There are hundreds of species of Plecos available today. Go to
planetcatfish.com and you will see many types of pleco's with tips on there
feeding requirements as well as other info. In general when buying pleco's look
for ones that have full bellies so take a good look under them and make sure
that they have not been starved. Unfortunately most pleco's are wild caught and
are held in facilities for a long time until they catch enough to ship. So what
you will find is that some look fine while other are starved and have no food
reserves. Pleco's come from tropical South America so you may be keeping them
too cold with your goldfish. Stone lapping sharks from the genus Garra are
better in goldfish tanks that pleco's. When you get a new Pleco I always feed
then some black worms at first to get some much needed protein in them. After
that I give them occasional algae wafers or a rock from another tank that needs
to be cleaned. Fish need vitamin C especially Plecos. Sometimes I give my
pleco's some Guinea pig pellets. Guinea pigs like humans cannot make there own
vitamin C and need to get it from their food. These pellets are nutritious
alfalfa pellets enriched with vitamin C. They really seem to love them too.
-Chuck>
Zebra Pleco purchase
I am trying to buy a tank bred juvenile zebra Pleco for my home tank in
Hawaii. I am not adverse to buying from Europe but wonder if there is a
closer source so that the fish has a greater chance of surviving the
shipping process. Can you be of any help?
< There are a few breeders in the US breeding zebra Plecos but they are very
expensive and slow growing. Check Aquabid and be prepared to pay because these
fish don't come cheap. BTW they don't eat algae. They are actually shrimp
feeders. To get some info on the new Plecos check out planetcatfish.com. -Chuck>
Loralyn Cramer
Gulping Plecostomus
A few months ago I spoke to Marina about my tetra with no eyes. Sadly he
passed away some time ago. I think I over-enthusiastically gave him too
much food which possibly removed a lot of the oxygen from the water in
his protective container as it began to decay. I came home from work and
he had died during the day. It was upsetting - stupidly you always get
attached to the sick or injured ones! Thanks for all your help though
Marina.
I have two huge (8ins, 7 1/4ins) plecs in my 4ft tank, which is getting
too small for them now. The tank is in my bedroom and I think its been
one or both who've been keeping me up at night! Over the last 4 nights
or so, I've been waking up what seems like every few minutes. Yesterday
I couldn't get to sleep because of the irregular splashing, gulping
noises coming from the tank every few minutes or so. I think this might
be the cause of my insomnia, but I'm concerned from the plecs'
perspective.
I understand some plecs do gulp to "gain better control of their
buoyancy", to allow themselves to graze upside down etc. However this
shouldn't be necessary every few minutes should it? They hardly ever do
it during tank light hours. I have two huge internal filters (Fluval 4
Plus and Fluval 3) that double as aerators (they are great wave
machines!) so do not use a separate air pump. The Fluval 3 has not been
running well the last few days. Could this have affected the oxygen
content enough to cause this behaviour? The other fish seem unaffected.
The only other thing I can think is that is might be a symptom of their
outgrowing the tank. The dominant plec has begun to physically harass
the submissive one, though thankfully there have been no actual battles
- the submissive just swims away as fast as possible! What do you think?
< When water enters a canister filter it contains oxygen. The bacteria in the
filters utilize this oxygen so when it comes out of each filter it essentially
contains no oxygen. Now two things could get going on with your tank. If it is
an oxygen deficiency then the addition of a small air pump and an airstone
should take care of the problem. Plecos are really nocturnal so I suspect that
they are feeding on the algae and left over food that may accumulate at the
waters surface along the edge of the tank. If they are hungry then give them a
couple algae wafers when you turn out the lights and that should keep them busy
until you fall asleep.-Chuck>
Thanks ever so!
Rachael Bartlett
Plecos and Goldfish
Hi,
I was just given a 12" Pleco that had outgrown it's tank. After three days I
noticed it was trailing long ropelike poop. Is this normal? If not what is
the cause and what should I do?
< This is normal for large algae eating Plecos and requires no attention>
Also, I have several large goldfish. Are there any problems keeping them
together?
< Your Pleco comes from South America were the water is soft , acidic and
warm (80+). Your gold fish like cooler water below 70. So if you try and keep it
around 75 they will survive but may not thrive. If either becomes ill then you
may have to place them in their own tanks with either warmer or cooler water
depending on the species.-Chuck>
Thank you for your help.
Doug
Plecos and Acrylic Aquariums
<Hi, MikeD here>
I just finished building several acrylic tanks to house and breed (hopefully) a
few species of Plecos (L169, L114, L271, and L081). Today, while reading an
article on Planet Catfish, it read that zebra Plecos will scratch acrylic tanks
up so bad you can't see through them. Have you ever had a place scratch an
acrylic tank or heard from a reputable source that they do?<Yes. Plecostomus
catfish all have teeth set up in various arrangements around their mouth
in the center of the sucking lips. They use these teeth to scrape plant matter
from the rocks and substrate, but have even been seen scavenging on dead fish,
where they busily rasp away at the flesh for a meat dinner. In most cases, it
takes a considerable amount of time for the damage to show on the acrylic unless
you have very large specimens.> I was hoping to getting them in their new homes
as soon as possible, but I don't want to have them destroy all my hard work.
<That's a definite possibility here, even a probability with larger
animals.> Thanks for you time.<Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.>
- Jason Seymour
Suckermouth Catfish young!
hi bob,
today a bigger clean up for my fish tank was due. I noticed for a while the
Bristlenose catfish male sitting in the terracotta pot underneath the
filter. I have a submerged pump with filter. because he was too long and
always sticking out with head or tail I thought I give him the pot with the
big hole in the bottom so he could fit better in. I took the pot out and
noticed something falling out. I first believed it to be old rotten leaves
but when they were wiggling around I already lost some. I put the pot with
the remaining larvae ( about a dozen) in a small tank on the kitchen bench
top where I usually raise brine shrimp. lucky that it was just cleaned and
refilled with water. now there is the bigger pot under the filter and the
male is still guarding it. I feel sorry for him that I pinched his fry. I
will probably leave him the next batch of fry and see how they are going in
the tank, especially after he stops guarding the nest. now they are sitting
in the pot and got a sponge filter and some potted java ferns with them. I
didn't expect such a thing to happen because the temperature is going down.
currently 20 degrees c. I noticed the bitterling male displaying to his
favourite girl. she doesn't look pregnant to me but one can try anyway. back
to the Bristlenose fry. they must have hatched just before I found them. now
after about 36 hours there is still one egg. will it hatch or do I have to
remove it that it doesn't go off and foul the water?
< The one remaining egg is probably infertile and will fungus up but should not
be too big a problem.>
I find the egg quite
huge compared to the rosy barb and goldfish eggs we were breeding years ago.
the fry looks big too, with their big egg yolks. they were orange yesterday
but they start to get darker now. I called "my" pet shop yesterday and he
said I have to put some driftwood in otherwise I wouldn't have much success
with raising the fry. so I went into the garden and picked some bigger
pieces of timber from my mulch ( I don't use pesticide) and boiled them for
a couple of hours. later on when they are free swimming I will feed them brine
shrimp, vinegar eels and small pellets. do you have any suggestions? I
would appreciate them.
< Baby Bristlenose Plecos should be feed algae. Put in any plastic plant or rock
covered in algae for them to feed on. Algae wafers can be used to except that
the fry soon become imprinted on a food source and can be hard to get them to
switch over. I know some people that have bred them and can't get the fry to eat
algae at all. Some Plecos species require some wood in their diet. I don't think
this species requires it but it can't hurt to have it in there either.-Chuck>
Silvia
Sick Whiptail
Hello, First I'd like to thank you for the advice you've already provided on
this topic, unfortunately I haven't been successful in treating my catfish and
I'm hoping you can shed some more light on the problem. Here are the specs
on the tank and its maintenance:
I have a 45 gallon freshwater aquarium that houses 5 calico platies (2 male, 3
female), 1 female pineapple swordtail, 2 'skunk' Corydoras catfish, 3 Oto
catfish, 3 serpae tetras, and 1 magnificent 6" female whiptail catfish
(She's an import; Loricaria sp. 'Columbia').
The tank is planted with many plastic plants, with a medium sized piece of
driftwood, and two pieces of bogwood. I use an Aquaclear 200 power filter (with
2 bio sponges; never changed, only rinsed, carbon; changed every two weeks, and
floss; changed weekly), a Penguin 170 Bio-Wheel filter, a UGF (bubbles, not
powerhead) and a smallish Fluval power filter with an Aquaclear sponge instead
of the regular insert. The tank is cleaned with a diatom filter every two weeks
(to 'polish' the water and reduce the population of parasites). I do a 20% water
change every week. The pH is a very steady 7.3 and has 0 ammonia and nitrites,
nitrates are <20ppm (the lowest level measurable with the kit I have). The
temperature is a steady 80F.The whiptail has been growing steadily fatter for
about two months. At first I thought she (I'm pretty sure she's a female, no
whiskers / bristles on her cheeks or pectoral fins) was egg-bound. After I wrote
you my first email you (thank goodness!) let me know she was more likely
sick-either with parasites or constipated with bacteria bloating her up.
Our Oto cats have also become bloated, but don't seem constipated; they're
pooping. I do not see typical 'Pleco poop' from the whiptail, but never really
have since buying her; there is always some waste in the gravel, it's tough to
tell if a particular fish is pooping unless I actually see them in the act.
I medicated the tank (we don't have a qt tank but believe me we're getting one
as soon as we can) with 1 tsp Epsom salts / 5 gallons, and 'General Cure' (Each
capsule contains 125 mg Metronidazole, 13 mg Copper Sulfate and 8 mg
Trichlorofon and treats 10 gallons of water) because it was the ONLY medication
I could find at any of the 9 stores I visited that contained Metro, which is
what you suggested I medicate her with. I medicated the tank for the recommended
3 doses, and noticed no improvement. I visited a specialty aquarium store
(Big Al's) and asked their resident disease guru about my catfish's condition.
He suggested that since she's a wild import she would certainly be infested with
intestinal parasites /worms, and suggested a course of 'Disco-Worm' (a metal
based medication; I don't know how this works, but they told me it would). I
cleaned the aquarium, filtered through carbon, and then began a course of
Disco-Worm. Again, there was no improvement. I am now trying the
General Cure again, with 50% water changes between treatments (every 48 hours),
vacuuming the gravel thoroughly each time. Today I applied the third dose
of this medication (the package says this is a full course of medication) and
there is no improvement. In fact, she's actually larger.
The whiptail is active, eats well (I initially fasted her for 4 days, since then
have fed her only Spirulina pellets (Hikari) and the occasional thawed frozen
pea) and her colour is normal. She does not look like a fish with dropsy. For
two days now she has been more active in the daytime than usual, swimming around
and landing on the plants resting head down. She looks uncomfortable; I can
understand if she doesn't want to rest on her bloated belly, it looks about to
burst.
My questions are:
Have you any idea what could be wrong? Should I continue with the Epsom
salts? Should I discontinue the General Cure or continue? The package says
"treatment may be repeated if necessary" but one of our serpae tetras
recently died (with no signs of disease / stress) and now the other three look
unhappy; they're listless and not eating eagerly, a little pale. I assume this
is because the treatment is very hard on them and / or they are experiencing the
same illness that the catfish are. I appreciate your input more than you
can know. I have asked staff at aquarium stores, searched high and low for info
on the internet, and I've come up with almost nothing. I have Dieter
Untergasser's Handbook of Fish Diseases, but I can't seem to find anything
within that quite meets the criteria of what's happening to my girl. I
absolutely adore my fish, and will do anything within my means to make them feel
better.
I look forward to hearing from you, Amy
<<Amy, sorry for taking so long to get to this email. My apologies. Is she
still doing the same things? Bloated? Your best bet is to double check your
water values, bring a sample to Big Al's and have them test it, then compare
their test results to yours. Easy enough. While you are there, buy a ten gallon
(or 15g) tank for a hospital. One thing you must realize is that many times the
infections our fish have need a great deal of time in order to cure them. I have
treated some fish for up to a month in order to rid them of their problems.
Please do not give up. Metronidazole is not a strong medication, and the levels
in these prepared medications could be way too low to help in your fishes
advanced situation. Metro can also possibly affect your biofiltration, it
depends on how well established your bacteria colonies are. Old, well
established tanks suffer much less. Always treat fish in hospital tanks if
possible, I know you already are trying to do this. Please do :) Make sure to
test your hospital tank as often as possible for ammonia and nitrites. I would
switch to a stronger dose of Metronidazole. Levamisole and Piperazine will also
help kill internal parasites. However, the problem could be an internal
bacterial infection that has already damaged internal organs due to pressure
inside the body cavity. Feeding with metro is your best bet. You must feed and
treat for a few more weeks, I'm afraid. Crush a half tablet of Metronidazole
into a couple teaspoons of tank water, add food, let it absorb the medication,
then feed to the fish. A long shot, as it's hard to say what the fish is
actually eating, and I hope the fish survives this lengthy treatment. As I
mentioned, the situation is advanced, so there is no guarantee, it is possible
you started to notice when the fish was already beyond hope. This is often the
case with internal problems. Please update me on your fishes status ASAP. Again,
I apologize for the delay in responding. -Gwen>>
Re: sick whiptail - Follow-up
Hi Gwen,
Just a quick note to say thanks, I'll leave her where she is, feed her peas once a week, and give her Metro-soaked algae wafers each day for a few weeks
(or longer) until she feels better. Her tank is planted with _plastic_ plants, should have said that! It has a
light; I was curious about hospital tanks needing a light in case I needed to go out and purchase a special hospital tank (and, therefore, possibly a
new fluorescent fixture) for her. I'm so thankful you guys are out there watching out for us amateurs!
I'll keep you updated on her progress :) Amy
<<Amy, you are most welcome, and good luck! And do keep us posted :) -Gwen>>
Sick Whiptail Catfish-Update
Hi Gwen,
Thank you so much for your help!
A few days ago I moved the whiptail into our 10g (established - both tanks have
been up and running for years). It usually houses a Betta and two Otos, which
I've moved into the 45g community tank. All the water parameters are steady (no
ammonia or nitrates, nitrates below 30ppm, and are identical for both tanks,
including temperature (80F) and pH (7.3). I will double check this by
taking a sample to the store when I go to buy *fingers crossed* the Metro.
I hope using this tank is okay, it has plants, wood, gravel, algae, an
established bio filter... not exactly a hospital tank. If getting her a bare,
'sterile' tank is better, I will try my best to come up with the funds to
purchase another tank, a heater and a sponge filter (I have a Fluval 2 with
sponge media inside, would that work?). Does a hospital tank require lighting?
(Our bedroom has large windows and gets a fair amount of natural light, would
this be sufficient for her during her stay in the hospital?) For the last
two days I have fed her only thawed, shelled frozen peas (1 each night). I have
added 1 tsp Epsom salts/5g to the water (she has been in Epsom salted water now
for quite some time, hope that won't cause problems).
We have had a bit of a breakthrough since moving her:
SHE'S POOPING! Sorry to shout, I never thought a fish pooping would make me
happy *grin* but it does. I have a feeling she hasn't pooped in ages (hard to
tell, but never found any 6" fish sized poop in the big community tank),
it's good to see something finally happening. What is coming out looks
pretty abnormal to me, LONG (up to 3") stringy clear things that catch on
the plants and wave in the current like fine hairs, some rice-sized bright
green/white pods, and some semi normal 1/2 inch long bumpy (not long smooth
ropes like Pleco poop) brown poos (all alternating; this morning she's back to
the white stringy stuff). Sorry to be graphic, but I know that you can
tell a lot of things by looking at a fish's waste.
Should I use antibiotics as well as the Metro? I never considered that she might
have a bacterial infection. I have some Kanacyn, this is what the LFS suggested
once when I thought my fish had fin rot (turns out they were just being nipped
by the serapes), is this a good medicine to use when you're not sure what kind
of infection you're trying to tackle? Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
Don't worry, I'm not ready to give up, I adore this prehistoric looking fishy of
mine.
Thanks again for your help,
Amy
P.S. I've been trying to send pictures, but the messages are returned as
'undeliverable' without explanation. The files are digital camera pix, VERY
small (~15 Kb), JPGs. Just wondering if maybe you're not accepting mail with
attachments right now?
<<Dear Amy; Congratulations on the POOP! LOL, also, the ten gallon she is
in sounds fine. The reason hospital tanks are usually kept more
"sterile" is because treating with medications can be hard on fish,
plants and biological bacteria. Plus, you don't want the added trouble of
siphoning dirty gravel when half the battle is in keeping water parameters
perfect...At any rate, the treatment you are using now will not harm your
plants, and since you seem to take care of your water quality, the gravel
shouldn't be a problem either. Light doesn't matter, except that you have live
plants? Keep the lights on only long enough to ensure the plants don't suffer.
Probably this tank will help her heal faster, given she has places to hide and
therefore will be less stressed. Adding Metronidazole to her food will not
affect biofiltration, since you are only adding the treated food. Adding metro
directly to tank water should not affect anything, since your biofiltration is
well established. Metro IS an antibiotic, so you should test the ammonia etc
anyways, but I don't foresee any trouble in that area. Just make sure she ONLY
gets medicated food, no other foods from now on because she must eat the treated
food. You may give her the peas once a week for now, it will help keep her
intestinal tract clear. You can go back to her regular diet after the treatment
ends. The white, stringy feces is a sure sign of internal infection, therefore
the medication must be taken internally. As I mentioned, this will take some
time, do not stop treating her even if her feces return to normal in a few days.
Keep going for a couple of weeks. I once fed a pricey Asian Arowana some
metro-treated food for three entire weeks before his eye infection went
away...:P Kanacyn, by the way, may harm your biofiltration, again, be careful
using it. I doubt you need it at this time. It is an excellent antibiotic,
though. -Gwen>>
Re: Sick Whiptail-Update
*smile* Hi Gwen,
I’m happy to report that my girl looks like she’s getting better! I’ve been feeding her Metro-soaked Hikari algae wafers and also medicating
the tank water with Metro. I do daily 50% water changes, vacuuming the gravel well (not touching the
filter media in the outside power filter though) and I’ve been using Cycle to support the filter bacteria since I’m stirring up the UGF every day. I’m
also still using Epsom salts, replacing after each water change. She still looks quite bloated, but nothing like she did a few days ago; she
could have balanced on her belly and had her chin and tail off the gravel at one point, now she just looks pudgy. She’s also more active today than she’s
been in ages; a couple days ago she wouldn’t even move for the siphon, today she jumped out of the way and then stared that Python down until I was done
cleaning under the driftwood, at which point she immediately swam back over to her favourite resting spot and glared at the siphon while I cleaned the
rest of the tank. Her poops look more normal every time I see one (and she’s going every day,
yay!), but yesterday she had another bout of the white stringies. I saw what looked like very tiny white dots in the cloud of white uh… excreta… about ¼
‘ich’ sized. I wondered, could these be the parasites? Are they visible to the naked eye?
I’ll continue to keep you posted,
Amy
<<Hey Amy, that sounds great! You are doing a wonderful job :) My only concern is the
UGF, when it is disturbed a lot of nasty build-up can be released into the water. Perhaps you might want to run some good quality carbon for a few hours in between medicating just to add to the safety margin, and keep doing those
water changes :P Carbon removes meds, so I normally would not suggest it, but I am unsure about what might be lingering after the UGF cleanup....The white dots in her poop could be anything, but yes, parasites are possible, most likely small worms. A good microscope might help you see them easily. Doesn't matter if you don't actually manage to figure out what they are, the
Metronidazole should clear them up. Keep up the good work! I can't recall offhand how long the treatment has been going on at this point, but a few weeks is not too long, so keep treating her until the poop becomes normal. Even three weeks, if necessary. Keep us posted! :) -Gwen>>
Peppermint Pleco
hi
let me first say what a very informative site.
I've recently purchased a peppermint Pleco L30 which I understand will become
an L31 when it matures and have tried to find some information as I do with
all my fish as I like to understand there needs as best I can and have spent
hours trawling the internet and all I can find is pictures which as im
sitting looking at my Pleco as I write isn't much use to me.
could you please help or tell me where I can find what im looking for
< Planetcatfish.com will have everything you need.-Chuck>
thank you for your help
Darrell
Egg bound Whiptail Catfish?
Hello,
I've been reading your site for some time now, it is absolutely amazing!
I have a 45 gallon freshwater aquarium that houses 5 calico platies (2 male, 3
female), 1 female pineapple swordtail, 2 'skunk' Corydoras catfish, 3 Oto
catfish, 4 serpae tetras, 1 nickel-sized blushing angelfish and 1
magnificent 6" female whiptail catfish (I've been trying to find out
exactly
what kind, I'm reasonably sure she's a 'Loricariid parva').
Tank and water specs: The tank is planted with many plastic plants, with a
medium sized piece of driftwood in the centre. I use an Aquaclear 200 power
filter (with 2 bio sponges; never changed, only rinsed, carbon; changed
every two weeks, and floss; changed weekly), a Penguin 170 Bio-Wheel filter,
a UGF (bubbles, not powerhead) and a smallish Fluval internal filter with an
Aquaclear sponge instead of the regular insert. The tank is cleaned
with a
diatom filter every two weeks (to 'polish' the water and reduce the
population of parasites like ich). I do a 20% water change every
week. The
pH is a very steady 7.3 (a little high, but I don't want to alter it with
chemicals and none of our fish have objected so far) and has 0 ammonia and
nitrites, nitrates are <20ppm. The temperature is a steady 80F.
I feed a varied diet of veggie and regular flakes, bottom feeder algae and
regular pellets, freeze-dried krill and occasional freeze-dried Tubifex and
bloodworms.
And now that you know all that, here's my question:
Our whiptail seems very healthy, has a voracious appetite for almost
everything I put in front of her (although I've never seen her eat in a
traditional 'Pleco' way from the glass or on the driftwood, she just puts
entire pellets into her mouth and 'gums' them until they're gone), but has
been growing fatter and fatter over the last four weeks. At first I
thought
she was just settling in, growing up and filling out, but now I'm worried
she may be egg bound.
I have been looking high and low at all our local (and not-so-local) fish
stores for a male of the same species, without success.
Is there anything I should do, or can do, to encourage her to let go of her
eggs? Her poor belly is very distended; she looks horribly uncomfortable,
and a little bit like she's going to explode!
< Unfortunately I don't think she is egg bound. Females are typically wider
that males and have fewer whiskers around the head. You little whiptail probably
has eaten some left over rotting food and now has a case of bloat/dropsy. In the
wild they eat mostly algae. They have a very long intestinal track and the fiber
in the plant matter takes a long time to digest. When they are fed lots of
animal protein, then it is quickly utilized in the gut but still has a long way
to go before it gets excreted. This indigestible material starts to be broken
down by the bacteria in the gut. As the bacteria eat this matter then they
multiply and grow and give off gas. As the fish continues to eat, then the
bacteria continue to grow and blocks off the intestine. Your fish is in real
trouble. Isolate the fish in a quarantine tank. Treat with 250 mg of
Metronidazole per 10 gallons of water. Treat every other day and do a 30% water
change too. A good sign would be to see some long stringy fecal matter. Do not
feed until the swelling has been reduced. In the wild these fish do not get this
much animal protein and really can't handle a constant diet of it.-Chuck>
Thank you for any insight you can provide,
Amy
Can Plecostomus be effected by skin flukes
I have a 29 (long) aquarium, I have had problems keeping any fish alive in there except 2 large, super
veil angels and a (Hypostomus)
Plecostomus. (Every Cory Cat fish I put in there, came down with a "pop eye" disease). So the 2 angels and the
Pleco have been the only residents for 2
years. The angels were a breeding pair, until the female came down with a bad case of huge growths on her upper lip, (they looked like 2 large peas, but white or gray in color). After that she got really grumpy, I talked to an expert on angels, he said it was "kind of a wart" or a better lack of words, and that surgically removing them, and not accidentally removing her lip was the only was to get rid of them, or these growths would eventually get so big, that she will no longer be able to eat, and she'd starve. Monday the male Angel died. I couldn't see anything wrong, I have had good water conditions, certainly no over crowding. The next day I noticed white spikes coming out of my female angel, up close that is exactly what they looked like. >From the other fish experts I've talked to, it sounds as though she had body flukes. All I can think of is they must have came in on a live plant I purchased. Can Body flukes at some stage in their life be transmitted on plants?
< Anything is possible but pretty unlikely>
Nothing else was new in the aquarium. She had 12 or more of these "spikes". The next morning I had her "put down", so to speak. I have the
Plecostomus out of that aquarium now, in quarantine. As far as I can tell I have done everything right with him. He has never shown any signs of problems. He still doesn't, he went into quarantine yesterday.
I have a 2000 gallon outdoor decorative pond, I have Koi and a very large Plecostomus
who will be going into very soon, ( I am waiting for the pond to do it's bacteria build up thing.) The Koi are various sizes, but I three which are 17 or 18 inches long, there are 9 Koi all together, and the
Plecostomus in the pond is 18 inches.
How long should I keep this other poor Plecostomus in quarantine?
< If you are really worried I would keep him in quarantine between two and six weeks.>
Also, do you have a good suggestion on how to really sterilize that 29 gallon aquarium?
< I am not a really big fan of sterilization. My suggestion would be to heat your tank up to 80 degrees plus for a week or two. Any pathogens will starve without any hosts in that time period. At the end of that time I would do a 50% water change. Pick out some new fish to add to your tank and put them in the quarantine tank. In two to four weeks they could be added to your main tank. Make sure your filter is cleaned often. The
BioWheel is a
great invention and gives you many options. Make sure that you gravel vac the sludge from the gravel.>
It has gravel, plants (one live one, which I plan on pitching), a nice large back flow filter, with a bacteria wheel, also a good powerful pump with an under gravel bacteria filter. What should I do.
< Check you water conditions. You left out some important information. Keep the water temp at 80 degrees. I would clean the filter at least once but no later than twice a week
despite what it looks like. Check the ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. You should have no ammonia , no nitrites and the nitrate levels should be no higher than 25 ppm. Elevated levels of these compounds lead to long term chronic problems that you have described.>
I also have another 29 long ~ aquarium, with fish, and the 150 gallon decorative pond in my living room, which is the Koi's winter residence. But water changes every three days and running 3 pumps in there (and all the fish are healthy) this is driving me nuts. I am fished out. And I still have to decide what to do the
Pleco in quarantine, and the tank with a problem. Suggestions please ~ Deb
< Unfortunately big fish generate lots of waste. There is no magic potion to make this problem go away, but I do have some suggestions. With all those koi you need a pump that moves at least 450 gallons an hour. This could easily be done with one pump instead of three. You need a filter that is easy to maintain. Look at the Marineland
Tidepool line of filters. The trays are easily removed for cleaning and nothing needs to be turned off. Look at the food and make sure the fish are eating it all in a couple minutes. Excess food is usually a big problem. Check the water chemistry. If your nitrates are
fairly low as described above then maybe the water changes are only needed weekly.-Chuck>
Goldfish and Pleco nutrition
Hello-
<Hello.>
Right off hand id like to thank you for taking the time to read my message.
<Glad to have the opportunity to help.>
There area few things am concerned about. Firstly, I'm worried
that my goldfish are getting too much protein, and I had read that it is good to
give them vegetables to balance out their system, but they wont eat anything
except their fish food, and blood worms. They're completely uninterested in
spinach, lettuce, nor will they eat tiny pieces of cut up
carrots. They spit them right back out... I cant seem to
find anything they like!
<Try frozen/thawed peas (just squeeze the shell off), blanched zucchini or
cucumber, and offer them some anacharis/elodea/Egeria plants to eat - these
plants should be quite inexpensive at your local fish or pond store.>
Also, I just bought a gold nugget plec.
<Oh, one of my favorites!>
I purchased algae wafers to drop in after my goldfish are fed for him to eat,
because I don't recognize any significant amounts of algae... the goldfish are
eating these. I'm worried he may not be getting the nutrition he
needs either.
<Well, to be honest, this plec (L-018/L-085, L-081, or L-177, all
Baryancistrus sp.), is actually a meat eater. I doubt that he'll ever
accept algae wafers, but he would benefit from a bit of blanched cucumber or
zucchini once in a while. Offer him meaty foods, like frozen raw
shrimp (just like you would eat), frozen bloodworms (from the fish store), or
frozen prepared foods like Ocean Nutrition's "Formula One" (my
meat-eatin' Hypancistrus plecs LOVE this).>
Please help. I don't want my plec to starve or my fish to get sick or
die!!
<Try the above suggestions, I'm sure they'll take some of those
offerings. The plec may be a bit tough to feed at first, as they're a
bit skittish during the day, so you might try using a veggie-clip (like the ones
for saltwater fish feeding) to get a piece of shrimp near him just after
lights-out.>
Thanks, -Shiga Ryukin
<Wishing you and your fishes well, -Sabrina>
Baby Plecs!
Great article on the WWM site regarding these little workhorses...
<Sabrina here, this evening - sorry for any delay.>
had I known the information on them that you presented with regard to their
breeding it would have made more sense for me to purchase only one of these
little guys.
<Indeed, I do normally recommend one plec per tank in most cases, but due to
territoriality, size, etc.... Definitely breedable, though, given
proper circumstances, proper genders, and a large enough space. I do
believe these fellahs are bred in huge quantities, both in the US and abroad,
for the aquarium trade. A very fun fish.>
My two Plecos spent the summer in a tiny 90 gallon outdoor pond and came indoors
for the winter, where they apparently decided to plan a future together.
<New tank, new digs, new water, a bit of Barry White, and presto! Breeding
season!>
The 12 or so fry seem to be tolerating their new environment, and their hungry
shubunkin tankmates have been moved to larger quarters which should make the
water quality easier to keep stable. According to everything that I
have read, I have inadvertently treated these little guys to horrible conditions
(too much light, too large a temperature swing, not enough plants, undesirable
water conditions, etc) and yet they still reproduced...
<These really are pretty durable fish! Could be, though, that
stress induced them to spawn - the "our world's coming to an end, let's
reproduce!" idea, but I would think it more likely that the big change from
the pond to the tank simulated their rainy season and triggered reproductive
behaviour.>
what is the average life span and average frequency of reproduction for my pair?
<Lifespan? Well, that's not an easy question, ever - but I would
think it likely that these fish will live upwards of ten, fifteen, perhaps
twenty years, even. As for frequency of reproduction.... I
think it's more a matter of stimulating them by "faking" their rainy
season, with a huge influx of new water, perhaps incorporating a bit of a drop
in pH and temperature.>
Thank you so much in advance for your response. Sincerely, Carol
Thrush
<Any time, Carol. So glad to hear you're enjoying WWM. Please
also take a look at PlanetCatfish if you haven't - http://www.planetcatfish.com/
- for more information, perhaps even specifics on breeding, etc., and good luck
with your new little charges!! Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
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