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Monti Eating
Nudibranchs and predatory starfish I 8/11/04 Dear Bob Anthony,
<cheers, my friend> First and foremost I wanted to say thank you for
everything you do. I believe it can truly be said that this phenomenal
hobby has advanced so much over the years because of your dedication to
it! <thanks kindly... it is a labor of love> I had a quick
question if you don't mind, and also wanted to bring to your attention
an interesting experience that occurred. I am of the opinion that
everything in the wild has its purpose, and will not try to eradicate
anything unless it is truly harmful. <agreed... and yet, there is a
joke somewhere in there about politicians. Well give lawyers a pass on
this one> I have a fairly large system with 8 plating Montis in it.
I went on vacation and when I returned I noted two plating Montis were
suffering severe tissue loss. I thought the issue was more water quality
related, particularly since my calc reactor had been down for several
weeks and the filter socks needed cleaning. Despite water changes and
dosing with Kalk, the affected Montis continued to RTN. I had heard of
these little predatory Nudibranchs, but did not think there was a chance
I had them. I fragged one of the Montis, and what do ya know there they
were. Tons of them (to be honest, even though I have an obvious degree
of hatred for them, they are fascinating). <Arghhh... you have not
been diligent about quarantining your livestock my friend. 'Tis why you
have this pest now. Do QT all things wet in the future - live food, live
sand and rock, snails, corals, fishes, everything! <G>> My problem
is the effected colony encrusted hardcore onto a large piece of rock,
there is no way I can pry it lose. I am suspect that these suckers are
concentrated under the base. Is there anyway to rid of these things?
<they are very difficult indeed... do check the extensive threads on
this topic at reef central. I cannot say the bad news any better than
they have :p> Is there anything in the wild that eats them?
<certainly.. but reef-safe? Hmmm... spec at this point. Some have said
various wrasses and dragonets. None excel though reliably> I do have
one CBB, but I would think some form of reef "safe" wrasse would be
better. <perhaps... Tamarins or small yellow/green "Coris">
Also, wanted to mention in the past there was a dispute as to whether
these little brown starfish we all have actually eat SPS (i.e. GARF).
<Asterina species... and yes, I have read the GARF info. I do not
believe it is accurate.> I had been in the SPS end of things and
never had an issue so I was not concerned. Indeed they do eat SPS, the
other colony I referred to above had tons of these brown starfish on the
underside, right were the run line was on each plate. What is stranger,
I have tons of across and non have been affected. Looks like it is time
to buy a harlequin (there are plenty of these things to last the
harlequin quite a long time). As always thanks!!!!!!!! <do check
out my take on Asterina and other sea stars in the recent article on
reefkeeping.com from a couple of months ago. Best regards, Anthony
Calfo> Monti Eating Nudibranchs and predatory starfish II
8/11/04 By the way, I am curious (from a scientific perspective)
as to whether these predatory Nudi's show a preference for certain
species of plating Monti, or whether this is just a random event.
<there are quite a few opisthobranchs that are obligate on one species
of invertebrate or very limited (by genus usually) otherwise. There are
lists of slug species and their prey available on the web. DO check out
resources like the seaslug forum. We also have an extensive list of web
sites and references on seaslugs in the bibliography of our book "Reef
Invertebrates" by Calfo and Fenner 2003> What I think is strange is
the Nudi's have only affected one colony, none of the others have them
(at least not yet). It would be neat to take frags of say 10 types of
plating Monti, and see which species they show a statistically
significant preference for Thanks <please do take photos and
tell us of your findings if not write an article. Anthony>
Something eating SPS - Montipora Anthony, happy holidays and hope
all is well with you. <Adam here today. Anthony bumped this over to
me since I just dealt with this problem in my own tank.> I noticed
one of my recent frags, a Montiporas Cap, that is purple in color
bleached around the edges about a quarter of an inch. This is more then
the normal white tips from growth. I attributed this to a drop in Alk
while I was adjusting to my winter evaporation rate. <I did pretty
much the same thing. I attributed it to water quality, did some water
changes and never really inspected the coral closely.> However, I
have noticed a small white spiral looking thing on the white part of the
coral. Looks almost like a very small white fan worm (at least the ends
of the fan worm anyway). <The critter you saw is an Aeolid
Nudibranch. They seem to becoming quite common in the hobby, likely
from frag trading. They seem to favor plating Montiporas, but will move
on to branching forms.> I also noticed a small white area on my
established, thriving purple cap. Could this be a bug or
something? Any ideas or am I just seeing things. <The white spots
are where the Nudi's have eaten the coenosteum (tissue between polyps)
of the coral. Unfortunately these are very real and quite difficult to
get rid of. Manual removal is the only way to do so without significant
risk of killing the coral. You will have to remove the infested corals
every day or couple of days and pick or scrub off any Nudibranchs or
eggs. It may be best to this in a bucket of tank water since the
critters tend to collapse under their own weight and become difficult to
spot out of the water. After you are 100% sure you have eliminated
them, continue to check your Montiporas at least weekly. I continued to
find one or two a week for about a month.> Thanks <No Sweat, and
best of luck! Adam> Andrew Montipora
Eating Nudibranch Predator? - 05/26/06 Hello WWM staff,
<<Hello Stephen> I recently noticed a small number (at least what I
could see) of Nudibranchs consuming various species of my Montipora.
<<Mmm, very bad...and their numbers are higher than you realize>>
This was very disappointing as I have gone through a QT for everything,
but obviously something slipped by my inspection. <<Indeed>>
Over the past 3 weeks I have moved most of my Montipora to a frag tank
where I inspect and manually remove the adults and eggs at least every
other day. <<Prolific breeders, I would do this daily...if you're
serious about eradicating the Nudibranchs>> Finding very few now and
found none yesterday! <<Keep checking...a few weeks quarantine in
order here>> I do however have 2 large colonies of M. digitata that
I can not remove completely as they have encrusted large rocks at their
bases. <<Different species about (Nudibranchs), but my experience
with these critters is they showed a definite preference for the plating
(e.g. - M. capricornis) and encrusting (e.g. - M. danae) Montipora over
the branching varieties>> Just yesterday I noticed 1 Nudi at the
base of one of these colonies (Where there is one, I'm sure there are
more). <<Yes>> After dispatching this Nudi I inspected as best I
could and can not see any more. <<Again, in my experience, once the
food source is removed they tend to "disappear" quickly>> So having
found this in my display still and not being able to easily remove all
of the Montipora, is there a fish predator for these guys that would
make an appropriate addition to a community reef tank for a 90gal?
<<Not that I'm aware...for sure. Some of the reef-safe wrasses "may"
eat the Nudibranchs, but I have never witnessed/heard confirmed reports
of this. If you wish to try, a wrasse from the genus Halichoeres might
be a good choice>> I have seen a couple of species or wrasses
mention, but little direct discussion. <<Indeed...I once experienced
and episode with these Nudibranchs...I had wrasses from four different
genera in my tank (including Halichoeres) but could never discern any of
them feeding on the Nudibranchs>> Thank you, Stephen <<Quite
welcome, EricR>>
Best Predator For Montipora Eating Nudibranch? – 12/12/07 Hi!
<<Hello Dominique>> What would be the best predator against
Montipora eating Nudibranchs (Aeolids)? <<This “ideal predator”
is likely another larger/different species of Nudibranch...and
probably not readily available to the hobby>> Is it very likely
to help? Very importantly, is it safe around small shrimps such as
sexy shrimps? <<I’ve found little, in my experience, that will
help with battling these pests. Even prophylactic dips seemed more
harmful to the already stressed corals than the Nudibranchs...and
although freshwater dips did kill the nudis, they also killed the
corals>> Would the six line wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia)
be a good choice? <<Not in my experience. This and a couple other
wrasse genera I’ve tried (Halichoeres, Cirrhilabrus) did not seem
interested at all in these small pest Nudibranchs>> Any risk that
this wrasse eats sexy shrimps...? <<Is a possibility>> One
last thing, is it going to doom my mandarin (food competition)?
<<The Pseudocheilinus will out-compete the mandarin, and unless the
system is large (more than 100g), will also likely deplete the
available food supply>> Many thanks! Dominique <<I’m afraid
I don’t have a simple answer for your problem. You can try manual
extraction with tweezers (very tedious...and they multiply very
quickly) and blowing/clearing the Nudibranchs from the affected
corals with a turkey baster. Both of these tactics will work best if
the corals can be removed to a bare-bottom quarantine tank to
facilitate siphon removal of stray/blown-off animals/egg strands. I
have seen these Nudibranchs “cycle-out” on their own after a while,
and without eating/killing “all” their prey food items...though most
all small colonies were lost. Do also check the reef forums (Reef
Central, reefs.org) and see if someone there has had any success
eradicating these pests. Regards, EricR>>
Re: Best Predator For Montipora Eating Nudibranch? – 12/12/07
Thanks for the reply. <<Sorry it wasn’t better news>> It's a
depressing situation. <<Agreed…though I must mention, it may have
been avoided with quarantine>> I just read some people saying the
six line wrasse helped them. <<Is possible>> I am skeptical
about that given what you already told me. <<I can only relate my
experience and the experience of others I have known>> So far it
seems to eat a single species. <<The Nudibranch? Yes, it is quite
common for these creatures to feed very selectively…sometimes even
only on a single prey species>> Even moved to the other end of
the tank to eat some more of it while there was another Monti
species in the vicinity. <<My experience with these Nudibranchs
was that they fed only on the plating and encrusting species of
Montipora…and completely ignored M. digitata>> But I don’t know
what they'll do when there is nothing left of that species they
like. <<Hopefully they will just “fade away”>> I also just
read that they should eat all Montipora species. <<I disagree…
Some seem quite specific in their diet. Hopefully you will be lucky
in this regard>> My tank is Montipora dominated. If they wipe out
my colonies of digitata I think I may go out of the hobby. :( We
shall see... Thanks again! Dominique <<My fingers are
crossed… Am hoping, betting you will be around for a while [grin].
Good luck my friend. Eric Russell>>
R2: Best Predator For Montipora Eating Nudibranch? – 12/13/07
Am more relaxed about it today after a night’s sleep, but was a bit
freaking out yesterday. :) <<No worries re the “freaking”… And
I’m glad you feel better>> For sure you are right about
quarantine, but there is one thing: the nudis *appeared* just two
months (exactly 57 days) after introduction of the new/latest coral
in my tank. Is that not amazing!? <<Hmm, interesting… Perhaps
there was an incidental introduction/hitchhiker (Nudibranch or eggs)
on an added piece of rock, macroalgae, even a fish…>> So to be
bullet proof (at least with Montipora eating Aeolid Nudibranchs) I
guess one has to do a three month quarantine. <<Mmm, well…not
really practical, eh?>> Ok, will report to you on the final
outcome in a few months... <<Please do!>> Thanks for your
support Eric! Dominique <<Is my pleasure to assist. Eric
Russell>>
R3: Best Predator For Montipora Eating Nudibranch? (Update) –
02/20/08 Hi Eric, <<Hiya Dominique!>> Just to let you
know about the final outcome of the Montipora eating Nudibranch
invasion. <<Ah, okay!>> You were right about how specific they
are in their diet. <<Indeed>> They do seem to be impossible to
remove from a tank until there is no more food for them. <<Yep>>
They also can move to the sump easily to follow their prey if one
naïvely tries to hide a piece down there... <<Ha! Sorry, I know
it’s not funny, but…>> But they only eat capricornis, <<At
least this particular species>> not even other plating Montipora.
<<Mmm…”quite specific” indeed>> In fact there is a nice piece in
my tank I assumed to be a capricornis as it looks very similar and
was sold to me as such, but the nudis make the difference. <<I
see>> I made a little research since then and ID it as M. undata.
<<Oh? Neat…>> So only two small/medium sized (capricornis) corals
were affected in the end: nothing happened to the many digitata,
danae, undata and nodosa. << Yay!>> So I won’t be selling my
tank after all... ;) Dominique << I’m pleased you’ve decided
to stay in the hobby…and I thank you much for the update. Cheers,
Eric Russell>> |
Re: (Follow up: to Eric Russell) New solution against Monti eating
nudis... New Weapon In
The Fight Against Montipora-Eating Nudibranchs – 03/10/08 Hi
Eric! <<Hiya Dominique!>> I just made this discovery. Using camel
shrimps (Rhynchocinetes durbanensis) to fight Montipora eating Aeolid
Nudibranchs. <<Really?>> Never heard of that trick before. <<Me
neither…though I must mention, I don’t consider these shrimp “reef-safe”
at all>> Very interesting, have a look:
http://www.korallen-zucht.de/index.php?article_id=52&clang=1 <<Ahh! A
shrimp stocked “cleansing tank” separate from the main display…and
utilized like a hospital/treatment tank…though for a much shorter time
period. Keeping a small tank with a few of these shrimp in it should be
a simple thing; and an interesting display on its own to boot!… Very
cool!>> Ciao! Dominique <<Thanks so much for the input, my
friend. Prendere cura! EricR>>
Nudibranchs, as pred.s on
Acroporas -02/20/08 Hello crew, <Howdy>
I very quick question for you. I have gotten some information from my
supplier and would like some help. I have purchased a lot of various
Acroporas in the past, (cultured only). My recent purchases have
somewhat intrigued me. All the Acroporas, are dipped and placed in
quarantine for 6 weeks. No matter what. However these corals are dying
from the bottom up, and from the tips inward. After contacting my
supplier he claims there is a huge problem with parasitic Nudibranchs
industry wide and manufactures are scrambling to find a solution that
will kill the Nudibranchs and their eggs. How you any information on
this. I have sent some die off pieces to a lab friend, so I do not have
any pictures yet. Thanks, I appreciate any help. <Hmm... AEF usually
eat/kill from the base up and out. If your corals are dying from the
tips in, that sounds more like a different problem. In any case, this is
my favorite page/site on AEF: http://www.melevsreef.com/aefw.html
You can see from the pictures what an infected coral looks like and how
the infestation progresses. Another good article...
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/mc/index.php> Ann Marie
<Best, Sara M.>
Montipora-Eating Nudibranch Question – 02/21/09 Hello,
<<Hi Jeremy>> I unfortunately have Montipora eating Nudibranchs.
<<Ugh… I have dealt with these pests in the past…very destructive and
not easy to eradicate>> I have some encrusted Montipora that I won't
be able to completely remove from my tank. <<Then sadly, these will
likely be lost. Though you could, as I’m sure you are aware, frag them
up and remove to quarantine for inspection/treatment>> I have set up
a QT tank and my plan is to remove the Montipora that I can and frag the
ones that I can't remove and move them to my QT tank. <<Ah! Yes>>
I will dip them in Revive every couple days to try to kill the
Nudibranchs. I understand the dip won't kill the eggs but I am thinking
if I dip every couple days for an extended period of time I will get
them all. <<Maybe so… But do also inspect the undersides of the
corals daily and remove adults/eggs as you find them>> I am sadly
going to have to let nature run it coarse on the Montipora I can't get
out of my tank and hopefully starve the Nudibranchs. I have read that
these pests can live two months without food. <<I too have heard they
can/will enter a dormant stage…but I can also attest that without a food
source they will decline/cease to be>> I have two questions, how long
should I keep my Montipora in the QT tank and is Revive an effective dip
for the pests? <<I would give the system a good two weeks after the
last of the remaining Montipora is gone from the display. Then I would
add a sizeable frag of Montipora (choose a species the Nudibranchs
“especially” liked if possible) to the display and inspect this frag
daily for re-infestation. If in another two weeks the Nudibranchs don’t
show up on this frag, then it’s likely you can return all your Montipora
to the display without fear. As for the dip… The Revive is probably
fine, nothing is likely to get everything as you stated…but I would also
try Tropic Marin’s Pro-Coral Cure as this iodine-based product may well
act differently/more effectively on the Nudibranchs than the plant-based
Revive. But only one way to find out…>> Thanks for your help!
Jeremy <<Happy to share. EricR>>
Montipora-Eating Nudibranch Question – 02/21/09 Hello,
<<Hi Jeremy>> I unfortunately have Montipora eating Nudibranchs.
<<Ugh… I have dealt with these pests in the past…very destructive and
not easy to eradicate>> I have some encrusted Montipora that I won't
be able to completely remove from my tank. <<Then sadly, these will
likely be lost. Though you could, as I’m sure you are aware, frag them
up and remove to quarantine for inspection/treatment>> I have set up
a QT tank and my plan is to remove the Montipora that I can and frag the
ones that I can't remove and move them to my QT tank. <<Ah! Yes>>
I will dip them in Revive every couple days to try to kill the
Nudibranchs. I understand the dip won't kill the eggs but I am thinking
if I dip every couple days for an extended period of time I will get
them all. <<Maybe so… But do also inspect the undersides of the
corals daily and remove adults/eggs as you find them>> I am sadly
going to have to let nature run it coarse on the Montipora I can't get
out of my tank and hopefully starve the Nudibranchs. I have read that
these pests can live two months without food. <<I too have heard they
can/will enter a dormant stage…but I can also attest that without a food
source they will decline/cease to be>> I have two questions, how long
should I keep my Montipora in the QT tank and is Revive an effective dip
for the pests? <<I would give the system a good two weeks after the
last of the remaining Montipora is gone from the display. Then I would
add a sizeable frag of Montipora (choose a species the Nudibranchs
“especially” liked if possible) to the display and inspect this frag
daily for re-infestation. If in another two weeks the Nudibranchs don’t
show up on this frag, then it’s likely you can return all your Montipora
to the display without fear. As for the dip… The Revive is probably
fine, nothing is likely to get everything as you stated…but I would also
try Tropic Marin’s Pro-Coral Cure as this iodine-based product may well
act differently/more effectively on the Nudibranchs than the plant-based
Revive. But only one way to find out…>> Thanks for your help!
Jeremy <<Happy to share. EricR>>
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