How can I tell if my anemone is beyond help? 2/2/07
Dear WWM crew,
<Jane>
Thank you again for the fabulous web site
and all the advice you have given me in the past. My question today is
simple, but here is a little background info.
<Okay>
An LFS had
received a blue carpet anemone (Stichodactyla haddoni) a week ago. I do
not buy carpet anemones from stores since I do not want to encourage
their collection and the likely subsequent death.
<I am in agreement
with your practice>
But I figured there would be no harm in visiting
it now and then. Well, yesterday it was upside down, shriveled up and
the mouth was severely gaping (I mean, open about 3"). It was oozing
stuff.
<Very bad signs...>
I pointed it out to them and they
were about to toss it out. I asked them to give it to me so I can try
to rescue it (I do know how slim the chances are). At the time I had
estimated it would be dead within 3 hours.
Well, I have it at home
in a 100 gallon tank all to itself (although it only has 3" of water in
it right now). I can not tell if it is dead or alive. I have had it
for about 16 hours now. It looks terrible (covered in slime) but there
is a small section of the tentacles that still looks alive. The mouth
is still wide open and its surface ("skin") is all cracked and
torn. The whole anemone keeps oozing whitish stuff. It does smell
somewhat bad, but I can not tell if it is the anemone itself or all the
goo coming off of it.
<All part of the same>
Oh, and last
night when I was gently transferring it into the tank, one of my fingers
went right through its oral disk. I am guessing it is a bad sign. In
retrospect, I should not have picked it up with my hands...
Also,
can a dead anemone still have sticky tentacles?
<Yes>
I have
heard that the Portuguese Man-O-War can sting creatures long after it's
dead, but what about anemones? This one still have slightly sticky
tentacles (at least in some places). It is also bleached (the blue tips
are still there, but the brown undertone is all gone).
I do not want
to give up on it until I KNOW for sure that it is dead.
<We are in
agreement here as well>
But how can I tell, aside from waiting until
the whole thing disintegrates all over the tank and spreads its aroma
throughout the whole house?
<Mmm, not really, but the
reality is that this animal is highly likely dead, or as the line goes
in the William Goldman "Princess Bride" movie, mostly dead>
I have
been praying and doing water changes. Hope it helps :)
Thanks to
you all
Julia.
<I think you have given this situation your "best
shot", but this animal is gone. I would siphon it out to waste. Bob
Fenner>
Blue Anemone... Is It Real? - 10/02/06 Dyed Anem.,
Cpt. FAQs f's
Crew-
<<CJ>>
Just to double check, can
blue-colored carpets be 'healthy', or are these always
bleached/injected/doomed?
<<There are "blue" carpet anemones in the
wild>>
For example, do the specimens offered for sale @
http://www.gofishdirect.com/commerce.cgi?cart_id=1156027517.18607&product=Anemone&pid=1431&log_pid=yes
appear to your eye to be specimens that conscientious hobbyists should
avoid?
<<Possibly, but more due to the fact these anemones "may"
have been rough-handled, they ship poorly, and can be difficult to
acclimate to captive systems...but not because it is blue>>
Some
research published on your site and by others in print have led me to be
wary of such vivid specimens, knowing that organisms that host
zooxanthellae favor browns, creams, oranges, greens.... such an intense
blue makes me think twice.
<<Indeed... As stated, there "are" blue
anemones (Bob posted a picture of a wild specimen in Sulawesi not long
ago), and it is my experience and belief that most pictures of "vividly"
colored corals posted for sale are...shall we say...less than accurate
representations. I'm not saying these particular anemones haven't been
dye injected...there's always that chance. Your best bet is to research
the vendor as best you can (query the message boards) to try to
determine if they are known for passing dyed or otherwise tainted
livestock>>
Your thoughts on purchasing afore referenced specimen?
<<Hmm…how many blue anemones have you seen thriving in hobbyist’s
tanks?>>
As always, I appreciate your opinion, time.
Cj
<<As
always, is a pleasure to share. EricR>>
Haddoni carpet
anemone and clowns - 10/9/05
Hey what's up!!!!
<<Not much.>>
This is Miles here and I was wondering if I were to get an Haddoni
Carpet Anemone and some clownfish...
<<Make sure to read up on these
as they have some very special requirements and can get extremely
large.>>
would a False percula or an True percula be more likely to
accept it?
<<You have a 50-50 shot with either one. They either will
or they won't. I would give the ocellaris (false percula) a slight edge
though as they seem to host anything.>>
And will I be better off
getting a Wild clownfish or a Tank raised clown to get it to host in my
anemone?
<<Always buy tank raised when possible. Less demand on the
reef and less prone to illness.>>
And last but not least one more
question. Will any of the perculas false or real host in a Haddoni
carpet anemone?
<<Answered above.>>
Thank you very much
<<You're welcome>>
Miles
<<TravisM>>
To Anemone, Or Not To
Anemone... 7/11/05
Hi Gang!
<Brandon>
Question for ya'll.
I have recently converted my 125G reef tank to a FOWLR tank. I took the
frags I collected and created a separate, smaller tank to house them.
The logic behind this move is that much beauty in the ocean lies within
the fish. I have about 1/3 of the tank filled with live rock, but wanted
many swimming lanes and open sandy areas.
My question is this:
I
am considering heavily adding a beautiful carpet anemone to the 125G
tank. I have really nothing in the tank it can sting coral wise, and I
have plenty of lighting with 8.5 watts per gallon of 13K and actinic
lighting. I also have a mammoth Beckett skimmer and large refugium,
further adding water volume to the tank. Have any fish, besides rock
skippers like blennies, been known to fall prey to carpets? I'm thinking
along the lines of tangs, angels, Basslets, and my mated pair of
perculas that I'm sure will love it.
Thanks for the thoughts!
Brandon
<Less than one out of a hundred carpet anemones live a month
in captivity... Likely half are doomed from improper extraction, damage
enroute from the wild... Are these odds acceptable to you? Bob Fenner>
Re: To Anemone, Or Not To Anemone... 7/12/05
No, I guess they are
not. I was not aware that 1% survived. I figured given the proper care,
survival would be very long indeed. Thank you for pointing that out to
me.
<Glad to. Bob Fenner>
Blue Carpet Anemone
I am
interested in purchasing the blue carpet anemone. The literature I have
on it says it is for experts only. I have been experimenting with
several different things in my 180 gal. tank and have been quite
successful. This anemone is quite expensive and I don't want to try it
if the chances are too slim of it surviving. What do you think about it?
Although I read through wet web media very often, this is my first time
asking a question so please bare with me. If any other information is
needed please et me know. <Please send along all of your info, what type
and how much lighting, other tank inhabitants, water params... These
guys definitely take some special attention and pristine water
conditions. I would also (if you haven't already) try some of the
hardier anemones such as the bubble tip. Cody>Thanks, Carol & Tom
Blue Carpet Anemone II
Cody, <Hello again!>
Thanks for
responding so quickly on our question about the blue carpet anemone.
The type of lighting we have is 3 - 250 watt metal halide lights which
are going to be installed in the next few days. We've just purchased
them) We just recently (appx. 1 week ago) set up our 180 gal tank which
was transferred from a 150 gal tank. The 150 was a 150 tall, which I
hated due to the fact of it being so hard to reach the bottom to clean.
Anyway the halide lights are getting installed into the canopy along
with a Coralife power compact light, which was our main source of
lighting since we started our tank. We were told we could dismantle the
Coralife from the outer casing and put that into the canopy too. I'm
hoping that will be plenty of light to keep all the varieties of things
we want. (what do you think ?) <Should be plenty of light for most
things.>As far as what we like and what we already have. We have a
leather coral, A Goniopora, some rock mushrooms, xenias, a trumpet coral
& we're now experimenting with a blue maxima clam,( although we were
told our light source wasn't enough,) we wanted it so we got it anyway!
<In the future please hold off on these types of purchases, if you want
to be in this hobby 5 years down the road we all have to do what we can
to be a conscientious aquarist.>Also we have tiny sun coral,<Make sure
you are feeding this guy at least 3 times a week.> some feather dusters,
a duster cluster, hammerhead coral, rock flower anemone, and a couple
bubble anemones,(1 with a fire clown.)<I would not put these mobile
anemones in your tank with sessile corals as it almost always ends with
the anemone stinging the corals to death.> The Fish we have are, Yellow,
Sailfin, hippo & powder blue tangs,<Watch all these guys closely as you
will likely have to remove one or two of these guys in the future.>
along with a coral beauty, a wrasse fish 2 small blue damsels. We have
a blood shrimp and the coral bandit shrimp for cleaning as well as lots
of snails and hermit crabs. I think that is just about all we have in
the tank. As far as what we like I guess there's no 1 certain group of
things. It's just what looks cool to us and we like lots of different
colors. For the most part the tank is doing great (in our eyes anyway).
<Please research before you buy though.>Ya, we've lost a lot of things,
mostly fish, due to moving to fast but we didn't care at that point in
time. <Eeiiikkkk. Please don't say you didn't care. If you don't
please realize that because of not caring you will not be able to enjoy
these wonderful creatures in the future because the worlds reefs are in
danger.>Our tank is not even a year old yet but we believe you learn
more from trial & error rather than going by "the book". But now it's
becoming a bit of a different story. Whenever things don't survive we
feel as if it's because we're doing something wrong. But that doesn't
stop us from trying other things. One thing I'm super confused about is
liquid supplements. When you mention pristine water conditions how is
one to know exactly what that is? We have Iodine, Snow flakes, Calcium,
Cora - Vita & Strontium & Molybdenum. Although all the bottles say to
put x amount per gals of water, everyone I've talked to says not to pay
attention to what the bottle says but just put 1 cap full in once a week
on different days of the week. Now from reading a lot I believe than no
one certain way is the only right way, but I can't seem to get the same
advice from more than one person. We don't want to put to little in but
then again I don't even know what too little or too much is. Any helpful
advice on all matters including, lighting, supplements, water conditions
etc... would be greatly appreciated.<Please do some reading on our site:
www.wetwebmedia.com and then if you still have any questions give me a
holler. Cody>
Carol & Tom
Blue carpet anemones
Hello, I have question about blue carpets. A local shop has some but
they have brown rings around their mouths. They have had them for about
a week now and I was wondering if this was normal and if not would this
go away? Or are they on their way out?
<possibly yes, but not for the
reason that you suspect. The color of the mouth is highly variable and
not an indicator of health. An open or gaping mouth would be a bad sign.
The brown ring may be more natural than most would think. It is quite
possible that this anemone has been color dyed. Happens every day. And
the anemones "true colors" are shining through. Brown and green carpets
are common and natural. Most others in the trade are dyed. Sebae
anemones are also victim to this abhorrent practice. Read more under
anemones at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/MarInd5of6.htm. Kindly, Anthony>
Thanks, Scott
Stichodactyla and clowns
I purchased two
1” Ocellaris clowns yesterday. I’ve read that carpet ( Stichodactyla
gigantea ) anemones are the ones most likely to be a match, but that
they are pretty aggressive. I’ve got a 100-gallon reef tank with about
150 lbs of live rock. My other inhabitants are 3 yellow tangs, cleaner
wrasse, orange watchman (diamond) goby, longnose hawkfish , cleaner
shrimp, Xenia , colt coral, arrow crab, emerald crab, various hermits,
and assorted snails.
Would you recommend Stichodactyla gigantea or
another anemone?
<I do not recommend this genus to many aquarists.
Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm
and on to the sections, FAQs on carpet anemones, over to the FAQs on
Clownfishes and anemones...
Bob Fenner>
Re: Anemone
Recommendations?
I've read the information on your site (it's
invaluable--thanks very much!); in fact, I'm in one of the sections
right now. Because of the information on carpet anemones, I was wary of
getting one. I wanted an anemone 1) because I think that they're
wonderful creatures and 2) as a "friend" for my clowns. I was leaning
toward carpets because they make the best match with Ocellaris, but I'm
thinking that the cons outweigh the pros
<You and I are in agreement>
(I don't want to jeopardize my corals or other tank inhabitants--or the
anemone). Is there a "safe" anemone that my clowns
might hook up
with?
<Yes. Keep reading. Bob Fenner>
Purchasing a Blue
Carpet Anemone - 7/21/03
I just have a simple question and I hope
that you don't mind answering it for me. <Sorry for the delay. No
problem at all> I am thinking about getting a blue carpet anemone for my
30 gal tank. Well, I have lots of feelings on this subject so please
hear me out. <First and foremost, regardless of your lighting, size of
your tank, and even if it is the only inhabitant in the tank, carpet
anemones do not typically do well in the captive environment as it
stands. Many, many sources on the "why's we shouldn't" so I think I will
avoid delving in to that area other than to say that anemones of this
type are not prolific in the wild (because of breeding reproduction
habits as well as habitat destruction). Just not a good idea to "TRY"
one just to see if you can do it, in my opinion.> I have 35 pounds of
live rock in it and am using a 400 gal/hr power filter as well as a 300
gal/hr protein skimmer. <Very good. I like the over spec on the
hardware. Well done, my friend> For lighting I am planning on using two
96 watt power compacts. The tank is 3 feet long and 15 3/4 inches tall.
and the ph is 8.3 with no detectable levels of ammonia, nitrites, or
nitrates. So far I haven't added any livestock to the tank besides what
resides in the live rock itself. <Sounds good to me, but I still have
strong feelings for leaving wild anemones in the wild. Please look
through our website with the keyword "carpet anemone" and see what
others have had to say as well as search the web and a few books and
articles on the subject. You know my feeling, now establish some
thoughts on your own. From the tank perspective, I think it would be on
par for success with some sort of anemone. I must say though this would
be a great aquarium for some hardy Sarcophytons, Sinularias, hard
corals, clams and such. Have you thought about these instead of the
carpet anemone? In any case. good luck to you, and thanks for letting me
speak on the subject. Please do more research and become knowledgeable
on not only the specimen but the overall effect we, as consumers, have
on animals that we claim to love and respect. (This goes for me as well)
OK -Paul stepping down of his soap box> Would this be an adequate setup
for the blue carpet anemone? <I believe you have a very adequate
aquarium for most anything. Just do a little research on the needs and
current environmental impact of your specimens.> Any help would be
greatly appreciated. Thank you. <thank you for visiting the site and
taking the first step in being a Conscientious Marine Aquarist. -Paul>