Iodine/Iodide
Bob,
Thanks for the all the info. I don't believe there is a more complete and
informative site on the web.
<Thank you my friend. We try>
This is a basic chemistry question, forgive my ignorance.
<We could start a club>
What is, if any,
the relationship between Iodine and Iodide?
<An electron per... a difference in ionic charge... the actual supplied valence state in products?>
I recently purchased a Seachem
test kit for the two of them as that the only way it came, with the
understanding that I would be getting an Iodine reading. However, the kit has
only Iodide reagents with natural sea water parameters for only Iodide, which
are .06 mg/L.
I also must ask, contained in the body of instruction, they mention that
ozone releases toxic free halides such as chlorine, iodine and bromine.
<Hmm... I really don't like this explanation... if there is iodide present perhaps....>
Why
do they call iodine in this context a toxin?
<Mmm, it actually is.... You may prompt me to get off my duff and write something in the way of a more complete "article" on this matter...>
I thought it to be a useful
supplement.
<It is my friend... please don't be overly concerned here... this situation is a matter of human laxity/laziness re terminology... what people are actually supplying, the organisms using is largely iodide... but sloppily termed iodine (the element...)>
Am I getting a reading for concentrations of Iodine using this kit? If so,
what are the concentrations I should be looking for?
<I should let the fine folks at Kent do their job here.... you are measuring iodide...>
Should it added to a
reef with a few and stony soft corals and many mushrooms?
<Yes>
If so, should I
supplement the tank or just rely on water changes which I make weekly. Thanks
for you time.
Brett
<Better to best added per dosage requirements of the maker about once a week along with your water change schedule. Bob Fenner>
Iodine Test
Hey guys, I keep reading about how I need to make sure my iodine levels are correct but I
don't seem to be able to find a test kit for it in my local pet stores. What exactly am I to look for? Thanks Robert
<Hey Robert, jump on over to one of the WetWebMedia.com sponsors and look at Seachem or Salifert test kits for iodine. You can jump to any
WetWeb page and hit one of the links. Custom Aquatics, Foster and Smith, all have them. Craig>
Iodine supplementation
Hello Crew, I'm confused about iodine supplementation.
<Great... you're better off than I am: I have a much longer list of things
that I'm confused about!>
I have various invertebrates and some turtle grass. It's my
understanding that iodine supplementation benefits both plants and inverts.
<Indeed... an essential trace element>
I recently bought Seachem Reef Iodide and a Salifert I2 test kit. I
originally tested my water and got nil for a reading. So I added
iodide as per directions. After 12 hours, I tested again and got nil
result. So I repeated the procedure the next day. Again,
nil result.
<yep... not a big surprise either. Iodine lasts in most systems for about 6
hours. Hence the need in my opinion for small daily doses>
I have since read that iodine ions "escape" the system readily and are
not detectable after only a few hours.
<agreed... when dosed small and or in systems with good skimming, heavy
bio-load and/or active chemical filtration>
If this is the case, what good is supplementing and it appears that the test is
rather superfluous as well. I think there's something I'm missing
here. Thanks, Mike
<I'd begin with the manufacturers recommended daily dose and divide to daily
doses. Use that for 2-4 weeks. If you do not see an increase in brown diatom
algae, then you are not dosing too much. In time you can slightly increase the
doses (and wait 2-4 weeks after each increment) by using diatom growth as an
indicator for how much you can push the envelope. More is not better with
Iodine, but daily is highly recommended in small daily doses IMO. Best regards,
Anthony>
Interpretation Of Iodine Test Results...
Howdy.
<Hi there- Scott F. here today>
Dosing with Lugol's and had been using Salifert I2 test kit that is based on
pink color of supernatant. That test never produced detectable iodine so bought
new kit. New kit is much different (simpler, better?) and breaks out iodide,
iodate, iodine. Instructions say that formation of precipitate with iodide test
means concentration is greater than .2ppm. What is not clear to me is whether or
not they mean if precipitate forms at 2-minute mark or if it forms at all. At 2
minutes, yellow color matches .04-.06ppm color chip. At 3 minutes, dark ppt
forms. Are you familiar with this kit?
<I have used it in the past, but I do not have any recent experience with it.
You bring up a good point...Not sure if the precipitate forms at the two or
three minute mark...I would not assume anything, either.>
Does formation of ppt at 3 minutes mean that I need to back off dose? Salifert
Web site is under construction and LFS is no help, Thanks, George.
<Well, George, what I might try is the "end run" to get hold of
someone at Salifert that may have the knowledge of the workings of this
kit...I'd talk to the LFS and find out what wholesaler they get the kits from,
and-in turn, who supplies the wholesaler (hopefully, Salifert or their domestic
sales reps). Yep- it has all the makings of a wild goose chase, but it may help
you locate someone at the company who can help. In fact- here's an open call to
any WWM reader that might know the answer to this question, as well....Regards,
Scott F>
-Undetectable iodine and strontium levels?-
Thanks Kevin! Forgot to add that I do have an Aiptasia-friendly Lysmata
amboinensis but no peppermint shrimp. How would peppermint shrimp get along with
its tank mate?
<They'd get along fine and dandy>
When I looked when I got home this afternoon, I could not find the smallest of
the Aiptasia. Do you think a snail or hermit crab found them?
<Doubtful, it may have gotten stepped on and retracted.>
I would think that feeding to support all snails and hermit crabs may be too
close to over-feeding. Is it appropriate to feed for the fish and corals and let
the chips fall where they may in terms of carrying capacity? I assume that means
some shrimp and hermit crabs will become food for each other.
<You got it>
I have been testing and St and I have been almost undetectable.
<That's bizarre, I doubt that the tests are accurate.>
Have read that one may not want to add these nutrients or much else when
fighting unwelcome inhabitants. Should I keep those levels up anyway for the
sake of the animals I want to keep?
<If you are going to add anything, you should be testing for it. Since both
of those levels are undetectable, you may want to verify with another quality
test kit, because quite frankly I think they're dead wrong! Good luck!
-Kevin>
Cheers, George.
-Low Sr. and Iodine-
Okay, maybe they are not undetectable but they are at the low end of the
spectrum. Using Salifert test kits. <Very reputable> I guess my question
is, should I go ahead and bring Sr and I concentrations up to what would be
considered adequate or keep them low for now considering the presence of
Aiptasia.
<If your goal is to best replicate NSW, I would keep these concentrations at
NSW levels. Adding either of these chemicals shouldn't result in an increase in
Aiptasia in the tank. Good luck! -Kevin>
Thanks again, George.
Tech - I from Kent Marine, and limpets 5/22/04
Good morning to all,
<and to you in kind>
Just a few questions for you, hopefully you can help. You usually have all the
answers. I am curious if tech-I iodine supplement from Kent is okay to use. The
label says it has free iodine. My test kit says it is a bad thing.
<somewhat subjective here. There seems to be two "camps" regarding
advocacy of Lugol's strong iodine solution (the nutritive iodine of color/odor)
versus clear Potassium Iodide solutions. The other troubling thing is
several keyhole limpets in my hospital tank. I believe both can be useful, both
can indeed be abused/overdosed too. I favor Lugol's based solutions FWIW. I'm
not a bog fan of some bottled supplements though... then ones that do not date
their products for products with a definable lifespan/shelf-life. Iodine loses
efficacy over time once mixed ion solution>
scoured WWM and have found two different opinions. Bob says okay and Anthony
says they will eat soft coral flesh. I did find a big one sitting on my flower
leather, so I pulled him off.
<some Limpet species are algae grazers, and some are predators on various
reef invertebrates including corals (these tend to be the colorful ones with
frilly/fleshy mantles). It depends on the species.)
Thank you for always being there for me and my tanks. Thanks,
Hopeless reef keeper- Daniel
<best of luck, Anthony>
Re: Chronic Fish Death
Well I've arranged to buy a 10 gallon to use as a quarantine from now on
we'll separate new and sick fish. I've decided it's well worth it. So
thanks for setting me straight on that.
As for iodine... Is there still iodine in water if we buy RO water? Is
there any way to test for toxic levels of iodine so that we may rule in
or out that theory?
Sorry to pester you with so many follow-up questions. It's only because
I find your information very helpful.
Lindsay
>>>Hey Lindsay,
It's no trouble!
You should be doing water changes once a month or so, and enough iodine should
be present in the water. I can't remember off the top of my head if there are
iodine test kits or not quite frankly. <There are. RMF>
For the moment, do your water changes as I said, and you shouldn't have to worry
about it. If you do decide to begin adding iodine again, once a month would be
plenty.
Cheers
Jim<<<