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More FAQs about ORP, Ozone, Ozonizers Use/Rationale
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Ozone/skimming Q/clarification? 6/16/08 Bob- did you ever say
that ozone is more important than protein skimming? <Might
have... is in many situations/set-ups> An aquarist or two on the
MD web forums are discussing this tid bit (they claim came from
you), but I don't ever remember you saying that. <Heeee!> Or,
maybe I misinterpreted you... I thought you have/had said (all three
times I've went to this lecture) that ozone, among other benefits,
improves skimming... hmm... Best, Sara M. <Does greatly
improve, even to large extents at times, replace skimming... All are
useful adjuncts to water quality improvement... Cheers! BobF> |
Re: Algae, I am at my wits end, BGA contr., skimmer sel, O3 story
2/23/07 Thanks for the reply Mr. Fenner. To answer some
questions, I do have some Chaetomorpha algae in my sump, which does not
seem to grow. <Good> I have a borderline DSB, some spots being
quite deep 4" or more and some being less. <Mmm, I'd add to...>
I am a little reluctant to put more PhosBan in my tank because it
lowers alkalinity although I personally do not believe that phosphates
are my problem. <I agree> I have re-read the article you wrote
and all makes perfect sense, the only thing I can come up with is
perhaps buying a new skimmer that is more suited for a tank my size and
better collection of DOC's. <Might help> Speaking of protein
skimmers I recently got a mouthful of skimmate <Blechhh! Been there,
spat that!> because my skimmer (Aqua C HOB) is in my sump and I
don't have enough clearance to remove the collection cup, so in between
cleanings I siphon the skimmate, not good. I was wondering what your
thoughts were between the Euroreef RS-135 vs. Aqua C EV-180, either one
would be better suited for my tank. <Both are mighty fine units... I
like the AquaC marginally more here> In your article you also
pointed out that use of ozone for better skimming is also useful and
the EV-180 comes with a ozonizer hookup, which would be useful if
needed. <Yes> Please, please, please explain to me the use of
ozone (I have read the article many times and its not clicking in my
head) and the reasons for not wanting it to escape into your tank, and
for that matter how you keep it from entering your tank (assuming you
don't have a skimmer with a ozone hookup). Thank you very much, Ryan.
<Mmm, the short of it/this is the Ozone (actually a triatomic molecule
of Oxygen) readily "falls apart" to form a much more stable diatomic
molecule (the twenty and a bit percent of that stuff between you and the
screen)... the unstable monatomic Oxygen atom really wanting to combine
with whatever it can find greatly expedites the removal of organic
molecules... in your skimmer. BobF> Ozone questions 8/9/05
Hello WWM Team! You have answered some of my previous questions
professionally and in tremendous detail, so I am back with another. The
question isn't particularly about my system so I will save time with the
complete set-up run down. The question stems from an outbreak of
Cyanobacteria in my 250 gallon reef tank.. <Thanks for the kind words!>
I do run an 100mg Ozonizer. It is coupled with an AquaMedic Turboflotor
5000 and controlled by an Aquamedic Redox controller. The venturi can
freely pull ozone through the generator which it does. Without the
ozonizer switched off the tank would normally sit around the 360mv
level. On it will usually be around 380-400mv. On and off I'm talking
weeks not hours by the way. <All sounds good.. Kudos on the
controller! This is a must in my opinion and some folks try to skimp
and not use one.> Taking me a while to get to the actual question
here...sorry. Why does the skimmer produce very little skimmate and of a
watery nature when the ozonizer is on But produces coffee coloured
skimmate when off? The foam height in the reactor does not change, just
becomes clearer and the skimmate is less, yellowy and watery. Why is
this? <Ozone actually oxidizes the organics, reducing their molecular
size as well as making them less "colorful". See Reef Chemistry Expert
Randy Holmes Farley's take here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030415033358/http:/home.mweb.co.za/jv/jv79/reef/skimmers2.html
I am concerned about this. If the skimmer produces lots of brown stuff
when the ozonizer is off where is it going when it's on?. I have seen
numerous posts regarding this but not a real indication as to what is
actually happening. If the ozonizer is cracking these organics and the
skimmer isn't collecting them where are they going?. <It is being broken
down by oxidation. The consequences of this are hard to pin down.>
I am trying to rid the system of these organics to reduce the amount of
Cyanobacteria in the tank in turn, I am getting confused as to whether I
should stop with the ozone, decrease etc. Please help. Best regards. Lee
<It is hard to say what will give the greatest benefit toward reducing
the Cyano. I would suggest running the ozone for a while and observing
the Cyano. Stop the ozone and again observe the Cyano. This will help
you determine which is better. All that said, I suspect that stronger
water movement, higher pH and higher alkalinity and reduced phosphate
(via water changes or chemical media) will produce greater benefits than
manipulation of ozone. Hope this helps. Adam.> Ozone
questions follow up 8/19/05 Hello there, Thank you very much
(Adam) for the prompt reply and for the Randy Holmes recommendation,
good read. I will go with your recommendation, seems logical. I have
been engrossed in the FAQ's and articles on skimmers and have decided
that I really do need to somehow guide raw surface water to my skimmer
(Aquamedic Turboflotor 5000) and place the skimmer feed pump into a
stable pool. I am not doing it this way at the moment...wrist smack. I
am convinced that in a tank of 250 gallons plus, with 140 kg of live
rock, 14 fish 30 corals +, more skimmate should be produced. I would say
I get a 'tea cup' full of watery brown liquid every 3 days at best. Not
good enough in my books. The skimmer is clean, needlewheel clean, I
just think I am not using it to it's maximum. Any other ideas? <Feeding
this skimmer with surface fed water will help some, but only really if
it is not allowed to settle in any vessel first (see more below). Other
than that, I would just be sure that it is adjusted optimally.> I'm
not going to ask if raw water will improve the skimming efficiency as
it's answered in many areas on WWM....But I am interested to know how to
set up the area for the skimmer feed pump. i.e. what is the best way to
get that surface water once it has been dispensed from the
drain....surely it mixes up and dilutes the oily proteins when it enters
the sump? Teeing the water from the drain isn't an answer as the water
flow is not stable enough. I've tried it and the water level in the
skimmer is un-stable, possibly the Durso standpipes, air bubbles etc.
rendering one of the reasons for this exercise pointless. I would prefer
to feed from my pump (OR2500) anyway. I await your expert help. Many
thanks, Lee <Actually, the proteins don't get diluted in the sump. If
you think about it, the entire sump is filled with surface skimmed
water, so it should have a fairly consistent concentration of
organics. The real issue is that the sump has it's own air/water
interface that attracts the proteins away from the skimmer feed pump, so
getting the water before it has a chance to "separate" is the real
trick. As you have seen, it is very hard to feed a skimmer this way and
maintain a stable water level. This is why few aquarists do it. Best
Regards. AdamC.> Are ozonizers a thing of the
past? 10/8/05 Hello WWM crew!! This is basically a simple
question. I would like to set up my tank again. It ran for 2 years, but
because of Hurricane Francis & Jeannie last year ( I live in Florida and
we lost power both times for about a week) I lost everything, except a
tomato clown, a purple lobster and a few blue legged crabs which I took
on to my Q tank and took it to my sister's. Anyway I have a 75 gallon
tank with 40 lbs of what used to be live rock and I wanted to set it up
again... So I went to a LFS and asked questions about how can I
improve my actual set up, and I came up with the question if I should
replace the UV sterilizer for an Ozonizer for better results overall.
And the salesman replied that Ozonizers are a thing of the past, that UV
was the way to go. I Didn't know much about the ozonizer until now
that I have read a few articles posted here. I'm more inclined into
getting one and start the hobby again, but I don't want to spend money
for something that is out or will soon be.. I personally did not
have a good experience with the UV Sterilizer and its many burnouts of
the bulb, but again, maybe it was a bad UV Sterilizer (Sealife Systems
double helix 9w ). The question is are UV Sterilizers the way to go
today and Ozonizers a thing of the past? <Ozonizers have been around
for ages and will continue to be around. I don't see them becoming
obsolete in the near future. Although neither is necessary to attain
success in this hobby, both do provide benefits to the aquarium. As to
my choice...being my tank is reef, and if I did want to employ one of
the two, I would go with ozone. The downside of UV is that it kills
everything good or bad going through it. If the tank is and always will
be a fish only tank, then I would go with a quality UV system. Ozone
generators really need a controller to properly maintain ORP levels and
they are rather expensive. James (Salty Dog)>
Ozone Delivery - 04/06/06 Dear Bob, <<EricR here tonight.>>
After doing some research on how to improve the quality of water in my
reef tank, I've come to the conclusion that introducing ozone into the
system is the way to go. <<A useful tool yes, I employ it
myself...but is not a panacea. I'm not trying to discourage you, just
wanting to set realistic expectations.>> After reading the many FAQs
on this subject, and how it is best to introduce ozone through the
protein skimmer. <<There's no argument that many, many people
(including myself) use this method of employment, but this may well
'not' be the best method for employing ozone to gain the most
efficiency/safety.>> Here is the problem. I have an AquaC Remora
protein skimmer, the instructions say that this skimmer was not designed
for use with ozone. <<Then best you don't.>> What my question
is, does this mean I have to go with UV sterilization, or is there
another effective way of introducing ozone into the system without using
the skimmer??? <<Other methods?...indeed my friend. Do a Google
search for 'ozone reactor' on the Net...DIY plans about as well.>>
Thanks, Angelo <<You're welcome, EricR>> Huge ICH
problem - control by Ozone? Mmm, nope - 05/13/2006 Hi guys,
<And some XX's...> This is the first time I have emailed you guys,
as have spent ages reading the great amount of information on your site.
What's stopped me? <Don't know> Well, I realize that you're
busy, but this I couldn't keep to myself - it's distressing my fish (and
killing them) and upsetting me, even the cat seems saddened by our
misfortune. <Yes> I have a 240 litre reef with 40kg of live
rock, MCE600, rowfos fluidizer, Eheim wet and dry, a UV filter and will
soon be adding Ozone, monitored to the MCE600. The stock in the tank is
as follows: 6 common clowns. 1 baby tang and a larger one. 4
shrimp (cleaner). Bristle star fish (I think that's what it's
called!) Red Star fish. Snails and hermits. Recently I added
a powder blue <Tang? This system is too small for an Acanthurus
leucosternon> and didn't notice till I got back from a business
trip, that it had Ich. <Yikes... no quarantine?> By the time I
could get some treatment the next day it had died. Ich has now spread
throughout the tank and we've lost 3 clowns already. I have tried
one of the shelf treatment ' ESHA Oodinex ' but the Ich is still there,
but not as prevalent. <... your system is infested> I realize
that my UV setup is working as well as it could and will soon have more
flow running from the Eheim back to the tank, as previously it was
working on a separate pump that works the Rowa-phos fluidizer. Will
adding Ozone to the skimmer help in stopping Ich? <Nope> I
appreciate your help. Many thanks in advance. Stu <Uhh... not so
fast... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/ichart2mar.htm and the linked files
above... formulate a plan... and act... quickly... to eliminate this
parasite from your system. Bob Fenner>
Ozone
Usage/Amounts...Iodine Supplementation - 08/30/06 Dear Bob,
<<EricR here>> I have a 180g FOWLR. 1 large Emp angel, 1 large
majestic, 1 Foxface, 1 Heniochus butterfly, 4 skunk cleaner shrimp. 2
perculas, 1 macaroon, 1 blue damsel, 1 goby, hermits and snails. The
system has been up for 1 year and doing fabulous. I have 2 wet-dries
and use bioballs for media. 2 sump located skimmers AquaC EV-180 and
Euroreef RS 130, <<Good skimmers...some authors recommend using
multiple skimmers of differing design to optimize the efficiencies re>>
One UV 55-watt Aqua UV. 10% water change weekly. I have started using
ozone injected thru the JG fitting of the AquaC and the results are
visible: crystal clear water. <<Indeed! I find ozone to be more
efficient than carbon is this respect>> I note that AquaC recommends
50-100 mg/hr of ozone but not more since skimmate production deceases
with higher amounts. <<Mmm, yes...and I have read some debate on
whether this is desirable or not. Some speculate breaking down the
organic molecules with ozone makes the skimmer less efficient...some
speculate breaking down the molecules make the organics more readily
available to assimilation by the corals...some say "what the heck", the
skimmer is still as "efficient" as it ever was (just has less to skim),
the corals "may" be finding more food (just be aware nuisance alga too
will have more fuel), so if nothing is being malaffected what is the
concern? I tend to fall in to the latter category I have a Red Sea
200mg/hr ozonizer with integrated controller. Tank ORP is 315-320mV
during the day and rises to 340mV just before the lights go on in the
AM. <<Sounds about "ideal" to me>> I have been using 175 mg/hr
of ozone in this tank. At this level the amount of skimmate has gone
down from both skimmers. <<I have experienced this phenomenon as
well>> The ECV-180 has 275 gal/hr flow rate and the Euroreef system
has 180 gal/hr rate. Would you recommend that I go to AquaC's
recommended 50 mg/hr? <<Based on your ORP readings and the fact you
don't mention any deleterious happenings re, no, I would not drop the
production rate that low>> Is it absolutely necessary that the
skimmer effluent be carbon filtered? <<No...the amount/concentration
of ozone produced by these hobbyists units is easily burned-up
in/blown-off by the skimmer>> Would using higher doses of ozone
oxidize Iodine or other elements to the point of detriment where HLLE
may be a concern? <<Addition of Iodine with water changes is
recommended...else test/dose as needed>> Thanks, Have a nice day.
<<Same to you my friend>> Jimmy <<Regards, EricR>>
Which type of Ozone producer? <Anthony Calfo in your service
while Bob travels to Australia intent on speaking the language... which
means, I think, that he will be shirtless with a hat on his head and a
beer in his hands at all times <wink! to my friends in Oz>> I
appreciate your input on the protein skimmer, it was on my list of
things to upgrade. <a must have piece of equipment> Are you
telling me that an ozonizer is not a worthwhile investment? <I
personally find them to be a very fun toy after you've bought everything
else. Really must have only in commercial applications if you have good
husbandry at home (QT all new livestock)> And I have read all the
FAQ's and not one compares corona to UV. Can you give me any ideas, I
would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Don <they are two entirely
different beasts with Ozone being far more useful and dangerous. Neither
are necessary for a traditional marine aquarium if you QT (again). UV
simply irradiates the water and denatures algae and some pathogens (if
the flow if slow enough, the water is clear and prefiltered, the bulb is
changed every six months, the sleeve is cleaned quarterly or more
often... very strict to apply UV successfully). Ozone, besides being
more effectively germicidal, also increases O2 and ReDox in water,
naturally clarifies (better than carbon), makes protein skimmers work
far more effectively and has little maintenance issues to name a few.
Misapplied though it can kill livestock and make you ill. Determine your
needs before plunging into UV or Ozone. Kindly, Anthony Calfo>
Super Reef Devil + Coralife ozonizer Hello, <Cheers... Anthony
Calfo in your service, telling everyone that Bob is in Australia when he
really has taken a "judicial detour" after getting picked up for skinny
dipping in a local university fountain. He says he was looking for
wildlife... and judging by the reported sorority brand ("Property
of...") on an undisclosed location of his person... I'd say he found it>
I own a Super Reef Devil (SRD) protein skimmer. It has taken me 3
frustrating weeks, but it is now running *very* well. (I had to elevate
it in the sump (1.75 inches) and add 2 additional bio-balls (for a total
of 10)). It took 3 long weeks, but the results have been well worth the
wait. <necessity... the mother of invention. Kudos to you>
**NOTE** Word to the wise. The instructions that come with this skimmer
are GROSSLY inadequate. Set up is not the issue. Tuning is the issue.
<as it is with most skimmers> Prior to hitting the 'magic combo'
(elevate 1.75 inches in sump plus add 2 bio balls) I thought I wasted my
money. Now I think the SRD is wonderful (it pulls burnt coffee colored
skimmate from the tank to the tune of one full collection cup per day.
Bio-load is light to boot, as the tank is only 3.5 weeks old. I had one
day last week when it pulled 3 full collection cups of skimmate from the
tank (I was experiencing a severe outbreak of diatom algae at the
time)). ** END NOTE** <Excellent!!! Thank you for passing this along.
ATTENTION: All Daily Q&A Readers... this is exactly how a skimmer should
work. Yes... in a young, low stocked system you should still be able to
pull out a cup of dark skimmate daily. So for tanks that are more
established with fishes and haven't produced skimmate consistently... do
not let yourself think that there is not much to skim. It will catch up
eventually beginning with nuisance algae (thanks for the info and
diversion Mark)> After much reading (including your very informative
website) I am debating purchasing a Coralife Model 50 electronic
ozonizer (or maybe the Model 100). I've never used an ozonizer
before. Therefore, I have the following newbie questions: 1) In
general, how is an ozonizer hooked up to a protein skimmer? <in-line
with the venturi or other air supply> 2) Is it possible to hook up an
ozonizer to the SRD? To any skimmer? <yes...to any skimmer indeed.
Even if that means adding a small airline> 3) Is there someplace (on
your site or someplace else) where I can review some sort of set up
and/or planning guide? <I haven't exhausted the archives but do a
keyword search on this site only (tag the bullet on the Google engine)
for ozone... we have answered some recent replies that may be helpful>
If it is possible, and not back-breakingly difficult, I would like to
run ozone to improve the already pretty darn good skimming performance
of my SRD (okay, so I'm greedy). <agreed... it will improve skimming
through saponification, raise Redox and O2 levels, is antiseptic and
improves water clarity noticeably which will help with light penetration
for corals> If it helps, my SRD in is my sump (a 20 gallon long tank
(30" x 12" x 12", I believe) located directly under my main 75 gallon
tank. Between the sump and the Eheim Pro II 2028, there is not a lot of
room left under the tank -- some, but not much. <the electronic
ozonizer is very small and does not require an air dryer like corona
discharge units> If you need any additional info, please let me know.
I want to make sure that I can actually use this model ozonizer (or
another) *before* I spend my money. I know my wife would appreciate it
:-() <make sure you pass all effluent water over carbon and also
coordinate the application of ozone with a Redox meter or controller
(better yet)> Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Mark Schwartz <very
welcome, my friend. Anthony Calfo> Super Reef Devil + Coralife
Ozonizer II Anthony, I contacted A.E. Technology (manufacturer
of the SRD). They told me that using ozone on that skimmer was not an
option (they actually used the word 'dangerous', but did not elaborate,
and I did not press the issue). <wow! There are only two explanation
for this: 1) they are mistaken and do not truly understand and
appreciate the merits of ozonation and 2) they have used a really cheap
grade of "plastic/acrylic" that is destabilized by ozone. Good quality
skimmer plastics and PVC can handle ozone with no problem. Two of the
biggest European skimmer manufacturers (Tunze and Sanders) give specific
instructions on how to apply ozone through their skimmers. Ozone
misapplied is indeed dangerous just like iodine supplements and a lack
of water changes... but I would not have insulted your intelligence by
saying that they were "dangerous" without at least elaborating> They
also felt that I would not see much, if any, improvement in performance
(a little surprising to me, but they know more about skimmers than I
do). <no my friend...trust your instincts. They give you an
admonition and don't explain it...hmmmmm? As I stated before... ozone
and UV are really only necessary for commercial applications (new
fish/coral in and out frequently). Few home aquariums truly need them
(especially if you are QTing properly) although some do benefit by it in
special circumstances (high bioloads, coral fragging/farming,
overfeeding fish/coral for growth, etc.> Thank you for your
assistance. I do appreciate it. Sincerely, Mark Schwartz <best
regards Mark. Anthony> Ozone or UV In a large main
display (fish only with LR) like 360-400 gallons. What would be a better
choice to add first for parasite/pathogen control. An ozonizer (500mg/l)
with ORP controller, or a large UV (120 watts). We plan on following
religious quarantining, but it is possible for crypto or others to
occasionally get through dips/quarantine/etc. Don't want to envision
trying to track/capture a tang in such a large tank. I know the UV will
have to be de-sized from manufacturer claims, but am inquiring into
effectiveness of each method. Thanks, Jim <The best defense against
disease is first off a strict quarantine protocol. And then next,
maintaining an optimum environment (water quality, foods/feeding,
decorations/hiding spots, temperature, compatible tankmates, etc.). Now
to your question, I would get the ozonizer/controller and skip the UV.
Much more effective at killing parasites and helps to maintain top notch
water quality when properly installed and monitored. -Steven Pro>
Don't Get Down From The Brown! (Algae)... Hi crew, 2 unrelated
questions if you would be so kind: 1: Is there any evidence suggesting
that use of ozone could contribute to fin degeneration and/or HLLE?
<I have not heard of any connection between ozone and HLLE.. More of an
environmental "disease". As far as fin degeneration- it's possible that
over-dosing ozone can damage tissues on the fish, and lead to other
potential health problems. If used correctly, however, ozone is a very
useful tool for enhancing water quality><<Indirectly does/would help...
with improvement in water quality... RMF>> 2. I am in the process of
breaking in a 20low which I intend to use primarily as a live
rock/gorgonian invertebrate system, with a couple of hard corals;
inhabitants will be limited to those collected in two to four feet of
water in the Florida Keys. For this purpose, I am lighting with 130watts
of power compact, 50/50 10,000k/actinic. The system is less than a week
old, and I have moved several gorgonians and some Halimeda and Caulerpa
from the tank it is replacing into it. The old system had a little brown
algae here and there, but within a few days of being under the PC's it
has really taken off, mantling the gorgonians, Halimeda and now the
substrate; the usual algae eaters are present and doing their job, but
not keeping up. <Algal blooms are common in new systems with abundant
nutrients. And, when you add into the equation a lot of light-wham! A
recipe for nuisance algae! The key here is balance...You need to
activate nutrient export processes, such as protein skimming, water
changes, use of chemical filtration media, and good overall husbandry
techniques> To date, I have fed very little, and plan to keep
ahead of things with water changes until cycling is complete, but this
algae is a problem; this is my first experience with PC's, and I assumed
the high light levels would ultimately disfavor the browns.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. <As above, fostering nutrient
export processes will really help, as will a dose of patience! In time,
and with good water conditions, these nuisance algae will give way to
corallines...hang in there!> Along the same lines, assuming use of
turbo/Astrea snails, emerald crabs, and blue legged hermits, I would be
grateful for an unbiased estimate of how many of each this system should
utilize. Thanks for your help, Steve. <Well, it's really hard to
say...I'd go for about 6-8 of each...These guys are good with hair
algae, but may have minimal impact on the brown "slime" algae...Just
keep maintaining good water conditions, and hang in there...These nasty
algae will eventually go away! Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Ozone generators Dear Bob & crew, Trying to get a straight
answer. Does ozone injected into a skimmer specifically help remove
phosphates and nitrates? I see in your FAQ responses that ozone helps
remove dissolved organic compounds, but I¹d like to know about these two
(end results¹ of the bio process specifically. <Does help to reduce
these compounds> Also, I purchased a Euro Reef skimmer on your
recommendation. Works great as advertised. Any recommendation on what
Ozone generator or use on a Euro Reef CS12-2 and on a 400 gallon tank
with heavy bio load? <Am still a big fan of the Sander's line>
Except in certain circumstances, I know you guys shy away from product
endorsements, but if you¹ve had any experience with a specific model of
Ozone Generator on Euro Reef skimmers, I¹d appreciate learning from your
knowledge. I really can¹t afford to buy two Ozone generators (the one I
always buy first) then the best one for my situation (which I inevitably
buy 3 months later when the first is yielding mediocre results). As
always, best regards and thanks for your help. <Bob Fenner>
Lost in The N-Ozone Layer.. >Hi, I am completely lost on this.
>>A map is needed. >What is ozone? >>O3, an unstable molecule of
three atoms of oxygen. It "wants" to get rid of one of those atoms,
making it an excellent oxidizer, and killer of fauna micro. >How do
you use it? >>Personally, I like the smell, so I sniff it. I hear
you're not supposed to, though. J/K One uses an ozone generator, and
small amounts are fed into the water, often the water column of a foam
fractionator. >Is it expensive? >>It can be, I've never had call
to use it, and haven't priced any units in years. A quick Googlization
should net many results. >I have read somewhere on wetwebmedia that
it can be effective to control diseases like ich and other things.
Thanks, Adam >>It can be, yes. It's also used (more often I believe)
to keep the oxygen saturation up, and maintain proper Redox. These are
all things that are not, in my opinion, really necessary if you've
properly set up a stable system, though. If you're having trouble with
disease, it's wiser to assess your husbandry. Marina Ozone
questions 12/30/03 hey guys- <Hi Justin!> i have a few
questions about ozone. pretty much all i know about it is that you have
deemed it beneficial. <Ozone does indeed have many benefits when
applied appropriately. IMO, Ozone has a place in treating specific
problems, but is probably unnecessary for full time use in a properly
maintained reef tank.> after sorting through your articles and faq's,
i am still a bit confused. more specifically, how would i hook this up
to my p.s. (AquaC ev-180 w/out ozone modifications offered by aqua-c) or
is it even possible? <Jason at Aqua-C is outstanding with customer
assistance. He will be able to guide you well with this question. You
could also Jury rig a way to "T" the ozone into the air intake of the
skimmer (being careful not to limit the air intake)>. i noticed this
unit as an all inclusive kit by red sea including 100/mg/hr
ozonizer/controller, probe w/ air-dryer 250, and was wondering if this
is really all the equipment i need (i.e. no other controllers or
monitors), <It depends on the controller. IMO, an ORP meter or
controller is mandatory for use with ozone to prevent dangerous
overdose. Some ozonizers require an air pump to push air through the
unit.> sufficient for my 80 gallon reef and an all around decent set
of equipment? <This is probably more than enough capacity for your
tank. I don't know about the quality of this unit, but Red Sea almost
certainly buys these units from some one else and re-packages them.>
and about ozone, what specifically are the benefits, dangers, optimum
levels, and how they are obtained? <Ozone oxidizes wastes in the
water (as well as parasites). Overdosing can be dangerous (literally
burning animals), and ozonated water must be passed through carbon to
remove any remaining free ozone. Breathing ozone can be dangerous to
your health, and allowing ozone to escape into your home must be
prevented. Optimum levels depend on the application. If you are
treating parasitic infections, very high levels may be desirable. If
you are just trying to help keep your reef tank water nice and clear,
much less will be required. If you monitor Redox (ORP) to guide your
ozone application (most common and appropriate way), a "normal value is
300-350mV. A typical ozonated reef tank should not be allowed to go
much above 375mV. If you are treating parasitic infections in
quarantine, a value of up to 400 may be appropriate.> thanks for all
the help you've provided me and other aquarists around the world, keep
up the good work and am anxiously waiting for the next volume to be
released, sincerely Justin Barstow <glad you have benefited! Adam>
ORP level for controlling Ick? 5/103 Wet Web Media Crew Hello, I
have a reef tank 500 Liters, and I'm using Aquazone 100 mg With ORP
Controller, What I would like to know - How high should the ORP level be
if I would like to Kill \ Weaken the ICK? thanks in advance, Asaf.
<there is no direct/correlative reading of ORP for controlling
parasites. Disease control begins with proper quarantine of all new
livestock in a separate vessel for 4 weeks prior to entry in the main
display. That said... a good Redox value with ozone in the aquarium is
around 400mv (350-425mv range). Stability is better than occasional
spikes to unrealistic highs (some folks push ORP to 450mv or higher).
Best regards, Anthony OZONE QUESTIONS-and a little help from the
past FAQ's Hi Scott, I have one more... What exactly is
ORP? <Oxidative Reduction Potential> I understand that skimmer increases
ORP, which is good. But why certain people employ ozonators to
increase ORP? Isn't skimmer good enough?<Do read below> Can ozone be
dosed directly into tank, or does it need some kind of special chamber?
Is it better than UV light at fighting pathogens?<Inject ozone through a
proper reactor or skimmer and pass all effluent water over activated
carbon, and change the carbon regularly---UV is used germicidally to
reduce the numbers of pathogens (but no guaranteed cure, mind you). It
is simple and safe but requires very regular maintenance to be
effective... needs prefiltered and clear water clarity from chemical
filtration regularly), bulbs need to be changed every 6 months (they are
dear in price) and the reaction chamber needs to be cleaned/flushed at
least monthly. Ozone on the other hand has numerous benefits:
germicidal, adjustable, imparts oxygen to water, improves clarity
(clears discolorants to reveal icy blue water, improve Redox potential
of the water (indirectly inhibiting algae) and more. However, it can be
overdosed if not controlled. Must be used with a controller or at least
watched with a Redox meter. Effluent water must be passed over carbon
changed regularly. With extreme misuse can be a slight to moderate
health hazard to people. If you are moving fish in and out frequently,
or if your system has a heavy bio-load, I'd suggest an electronic (not
corona discharge) ozonizer with a Redox controller and carbon chamber.
If you are a casual aquarist with a central system that will not see
frequent new entries (w/o quarantine)... then a UV may be safer and
satisfactory.(Found this on the WWM...by Anthony Calfo :)> Thank you,
Luke Benefits of ozone Thanks again for some valuable
information, <Welcome> After reading Bob's advice on the use of
ozone I decided to buy an ozonizer and I cannot believe the difference
in my tank!!!!! I had a suspected outbreak of Cryptocaryon and the
ozone appears to have cleared this up and on top of this the water is
now crystal clear with a significant reduction in nuisance algae.
<All related benefits> Another benefit is that after adding the
ozonizer I now have a newly acquired copepod population!!! thanks
once again for excellent advice Frank from Glasgow <Welcome. Bob
Fenner>
Ozone on a Remora Pro Good Morning Crew!
<Good Afternoon, Andy> I just want to start out by saying
Thanks for all the info you've given me; I've had a Marine tank for
about 7 years now, and if I would have found this website things would
have gone A LOT more smoothly in the beginning! I also want to take a
second, and tell you even after all this time, I still learned a million
things while reading The CMA, and I'm in the middle of Reef Inverts;
great work, It's amazing how much information is in these books! <Thank
you for your kind words.> On to the actual question, though...
I'm going to be moving my aquarium to a different room in the home
(Actually, starting a new one, and tearing the old one down slowly), and
after much research here, and on other sites, I've decided to try using
O3 on the Aquarium with an ORP/Controller unit, still unsure on the
brand, but positive it'll make a nice addition to the tank. I have
e-mailed Aqua-C directly a few months ago, and was told that they don't
recommend running Ozone with the Remora Pro, but stumbling through your
FAQ's, I see that the crew has given people some instructions on how to
do it. I've got some questions on the logistics of it, if you can help.
1. The skimmer has a Mag-3 pump, and I understand that most
recommendations are to effectively "T" in an ozone line between the
pump, and skimmer inlet. Are there commercially available T's, even with
modification, that you know of? Or would it be better to feed the ozone
at the pump Inlet? I can fab something up there... 2. The
addition of "air" to the pump will produce a drop in flow; is there a
way to calculate the drop, and up-size the pump accordingly? The skimmer
works VERY well, I don't want to slow that down. 3. Can carbon
be placed in the Pre-filter/skimmer box to filter the return water? And
is it safe to have it dump into the main tank like this? I can place
this in my sump if necessary, it's just a tight fit. 4. Is
this thing even "Ozone Compatible", or would it just be easier to just
buy a cheap, venturi skimmer not to skim, but to ozonate? If so, do you
have any recommendations? 5. Or is there a better way to do
this, like putting a JG fitting in the body of the skimmer?
Just some thoughts; I figured I'd ask this time, instead of doing
things "My Way" and ending up with another box full of stupid equipment
modifications and purchases (Anyone want a Sea-Clone 100, or a Nitrate
Reductor? :) ). Sorry for my verbose question; I've been rolling this
one around in my head for a while now... :) <Andy, before I answer
your questions, please reconsider using ozone. It isn't a bad thing to
do, it's just that if a tank is properly maintained, ORP levels of 300+
can be maintained without the use of it. I only say this because of the
cost of an O3 generator and controller is kind of pricey and I can think
of much better things to spend money on than an ozone system. If that
is what you want to do, I'll go through this with you. James (Salty
Dog)> Thanks very much for your help- <You're welcome.> <<RMF
disagrees>> -Andy Broczkowski Protein Skimming,
Ozone, and UV Use in Marine Filtration 7/5/05 Hello Bob, I
enjoyed your article on ozonizers on www.about.com. <Actually on
WWM... a link on about.com> I have a quick question for you and
don't want to take too much of your time but I would appreciate your
opinion. I have a 240 gallon reef with a large population of SPS and LPS
corals. With the introduction of ozone to have my protein skimmer at its
peak efficiency would be great. But would the introduction of ozone into
the contact chamber of the skimmer kill even the beneficial microbes
along with zapping bacteria, microbes and unwanted organics?
<Oxidizes all indiscriminately. What most folks shoot for is "enough" O3
to reduce free-living bacteria (most ones you want are not suspended in
water) and organics...> You stated in the section where you
discussed the cons of using a UV Sterilizer that one of the cons of
using a UV sterilizer is that you also zap beneficial microbes as well
as bad. <Yes... to some extent> In a reef aquarium my corals
rely on a lot of the plankton and microbes for food. Would the ozone
affect this and is there any recommendations you can suggest on the
usage of ozone? I look forward to your advice. Thank you,
John Vu <In practical application John, folks have little lingering
ozone... providing a few hundred milligrams per hour, delivered
to/through your skimmer directly or not, will not harm your livestock.
Bob Fenner> Another Ozonizer Question - 07/23/05 My name
is Bob, and this is regarding a 12 year old reef. <<Howdy Bob!>>
I have done a lot of water changes over this time, and think I am
burning out.... Judging from my degrading water quality.
<<Um...ok(!?)>> Bob Fenner has sang the praises of Ozone for quite
some time <<Many, including myself, feel he knows what he's talking
about.>>, but EVERY one of my LFS are against it for the usual reasons
(wipe out potential, "over clean" water. etc.. etc..) My 3 quick
questions are: <<"Over clean water?!"...excuse me while I have a
chuckle...>> 1. I still plan on performing typical maint. practices,
but is relying on ozone to "pick up some of the slack" improper
thinking? <<Yes...ozone is an adjunct to proper
maintenance/husbandry...not a replacement.>> 2. I don't plan on
jacking the ORP up to the max safe limit, but to just the level needed
to maintain crystal clear water (and whatever the ORP is...it is.)
<<An ORP of/around 350 is a safe and useful level.>> 3. I don't read
much about the long term maintenance of an Ozone system. I'm considering
the Red Sea w/built in controller. <<Have read/heard good things
about these...better units to be had for sure (Ozotech)...but the Red
Sea units reportedly provide good service for value.>> What should I
expect in terms of calibration, probe cleaning and replacement,
replacement of the O/3 output device, etc.. etc.. <<Will depend on
your system, amount of use, etc.... Follow the manufacturers
recommendations.>> Thanks for all your help, and I suggest readers
follow the link to make a donation to this wonderful site! <<Thank
you for this.>> Bob <<Regards, Eric R.>> Re- Another
Ozonizer Question - 07/24/05 By " over clean" I'm referring to
the elimination of micro-life, beneficial bacteria....etc.. etc..
<<Not a concern if/when applied responsibly/correctly.>> Thanks for
the reply, I ordered the Red Sea...and promise not to rely on it too
much! <<Excellent to hear.>> Bob
Ozone Concerns - 12/10/05 Hey Crew, <<Hello>> Happy
holidays. <<Thanks...and to you and yours...>> I have a 180g FOWLR
~175 lbs LR with two large angels, Foxface, Heniochus, a damsel, three
clowns, snails approx 30, hermits approximately 40. Water is absolutely
crystal clear. <<Ok>> Tank is doing GREAT. I do use ozone <<So
do I...>> injected with a dedicated pump through a Turboflotor-Multi.
In order to keep the ORP at 330-340 mV I am injecting 175 mg/hr through
and Aquazone ozonizer/controller. The ozonizer is on pretty much
constantly. <<Ideally it would be, with the right setting on the
controller...in my opinion.>> The ORP probe is in the tank and reads
accurately. Water circulation is approx 10x per hour thru two wet-dries
and another 1000 gal/hr circulation w/powerheads inside the tank.
<<Very good>> Since I increased the circulation by adding the
powerheads and cleaning my pumps to about double what it was a month ago
my small Cyanobacteria problem has been cured. <<More/improved
circulation is sometimes all it takes>> Is it acceptable that I use
this much ozone to keep the ORP at this level? <<Sure...I have a
large tank (375g) on which I run a very efficient 250 mg/hr ozone
generator (Ozotech) wide open 24/7...through use of a controller of
course. Since you're secure in the accuracy of the probe/controller you
should be able to use as much as it takes. And since you are adding the
ozone through your skimmer, any excess is being quickly blown
off...though some folks feel safer by adding a small bag of carbon at
the effluent output.>> Would it be better that I back off on the
ozone production? <<I see no reason to here.>> I have tested the
water immediately coming out of the skimmer before any carbon filtration
and there is no detectable ozone even when the ozonizer is turned up
this high. <<Yes...reacts/is blown off/utilized very quickly. The
hobby units available really do pose little concern for residual
ozone.>> I can smell the ozone under the cabinet. <<No more
dangerous than an "air purifier" that uses ozone to clean the air. As
long as you don't have residual ozone entering the tank (unlikely), it
will be fine.>> I would like to keep the ozone going; over the past
few months the most substantive changes in my system have been the
addition of ozone and increased circulation. <<Both of great utility.
Keep the ozone going...used responsibly as you are doing it will be of
great benefit. The least of which as you have noted...water that is
"absolutely crystal clear"...>> Thanks for the advice, Jimmy <<A
pleasure Jimmy. Regards, EricR>> Ozonizer I
recently finished reading your book, ' The Conscientious Marine
Aquarist'. I noticed you wrote; before buying any sort of meter, doser,
denitrator, or UV sterilizer, one should first purchase an ozonizer. So
without further delay I am wanting to purchase one. Although I have no
clue of what type or size I would need for my 30 gallon reef. And is
ozone something that can be harmful to one? Any information you can give
is greatly appreciated. Thank, Rob. >> Ozonizers are indeed
worthwhile additions to a filter strategy. Their size (milligrams of O3
per hour...) can be a little tricky depending on where you'll be
introducing the triatomic oxygen... best to your skimmer... Look for the
recommendations of the various manufacturers (mainly ESU and Sander's in
the U.S.) units... they're labeled as such... and no to the danger
question... Another largely urban myth... The amount and transiency of
the ozone produced by these units precludes their being any real danger
from their use... The use of aerosols and cooking indoors are far more
of consequence. Bob Fenner Ozone nay or ya Hi, My
husband wants to add an ozonizer to are (already doing really
well) set-up. I say leave well enough alone. Help us with this
disagreement please. Do we need one or not? Why? P.S. The tank
has been set up for two years now. sincerely, Georgia >> Maybe
not need, but an ozonizer is a great adjunct to enhancing water
quality... increasing Redox, dissolved oxygen, reducing overall microbe
populations in your system, helping to keep the water clean/clear...I
would get it way ahead of a ultraviolet sterilizer myself... Bob
Fenner, who says yea Ozone Bob, Am interested in your
opinions on ozone generators. Are they useful or just another gizmo and
do they reduce nitrates, phosphates etc at all. Cheers, Scott >>
Very useful... IMO a better choice in more settings than ultraviolet
sterilizers... For increasing D.O., Redox, reducing DOC's (dissolved
organic compounds)... eliminating color in the water, lowering TBC
(total bacteria counts)... overall water quality improvement ... my
further plug for this technology can be found here: Home Page Bob
Fenner Re: ozone Bob, Thanks for the fast reply ,now
a couple more queries. Is it right that the return water from the
skimmer must go thru activated carbon before returning to the tank and
if a small amount of ozonizer water should miss the carbon would it do
any damage. Also would you run an ozonizer 24/7.I have a large tank-155g
with a lot of live rock but it is fairly heavily stocked. I also have a
U.V so would an ozonizer be overkill. Cheers, Scott. <Thank you
for asking the "next questions" in logical order (part of the bane of
these sorts of forums is the call for short, concise... unsatisfying
pointed responses)... No to the urban myth of triatomic oxygen getting
into your system, wreaking havoc... just doesn't happen with the small
amounts of ozone the hobby's generators make... No damage from
running yours 24/7 (this is what is done in public aquariums, wholesale
holding facilities around the planet)... And a U.V. in addition is not
overkill... complimentary in effects (reduces total bacteria, increases
oxygen, lowers DOC...). Bob Fenner> Ozone & Calcium Reactor
Was wondering if either Ozone and/or Calcium Reactor would benefit a
fish only system(150g) with live rock(160#) ? If so, should I use one or
both during the curing of the rock or wait until cycled? Thanks, Lex
>> Both would, do... and if I had them, I would definitely run both
continuously... and during the curing period of the live rock... will
actually speed and stabilize the curing process(es)... Bob Fenner
Ozone Can you tell me the benefits of an ozonizer... what it can
do and what it can't. I hear it will helps kill certain bacteria
and viruses. Thanks >> Sure, in general terms. An ozonizer
improves water quality by increasing dissolved oxygen content, raising
Redox potential, oxidizing dissolved organic compounds, reducing total
bacteria count (don't know about viruses...), and bumping off algae...
Just in passing will mention that there are western European countries
which use ozone as their sanitizer, skipping (actually quite toxic)
chlorine containing compounds... Bob Fenner Ozone and U.V
hi bob, can ozone and U.V operated at the same time? <Yes... in
fact, some "ozonizers" are ultraviolet sterilizers...> my ozone is
controlled by Aquamedic mv computer and I set to 350mv how much mg /h of
ozone do I need to set i.e: 10mg, 20mg or 40mg mine is a sander 100.
<Hmm, if your ozonizer is controlled by a mv probe tie-in (ozone is/can
be measured indirectly by conductivity), you shouldn't need to "set"
your Sander's producer... If it were my system (you don't state what
size, much else... I would leave a "100" on full blast and check the
microSiemens per centimeter readings a few times per day, night... I
doubt (if this tank is of size, has much life in it) that you will get
into trouble with this unit, setting> my U.V is HW 2000 and how long
do I need to on per day? which of this will kill parasite and will it
kill crypt and Oodinium? lastly I heard for my pal in USA that there was
a ban on king angel is it true? thanks <Leave the UV on continuously.
Neither will absolutely (one hundred percent) kill all crypt and
Oodinium... but both will help to improve water quality and reduce the
chances of problems with infectious and parasitic disease. Bob Fenner.
Oh, and the ban on King Angelfish, Pomacanthus zonipectus is over...
Mexico "reopened" last year to collecting, and this fish is coming out
steadily from Baja.> Ozone Hi Bob! I would like to know
more about adding ozone to my tank. I have had poor luck trying to find
out information on this. I have so many questions about it. I am
assuming it will increase the oxygen in the tank? <Correct... and
raise the Redox potential...> Does it really help clean the water as
much as some say? <A qualified yes> Does it kill off algae and
parasites? (floating) <Helps> How much is needed? <Depends on a
few factors... size of tank, bioload, dissolved organics, desires on
your part... a few hundred milligrams per hour likely...> How long
should it be on per day? <Continuously> Should it be placed in the
sump? <Better than a main system inlet, yes> What about the
dryers? <Very worthwhile in humid environments... improves production
of ozone considerably> What should I look for in buying a good unit
ozonizer with controller and probe? <Hmmm, more than anything? The
reputation of the gear with folks who actually have used/are using it>
I am running a 55 fish only (shrimps, crabs and star fish too)(Live rock
but no corals). Of course it is fully stocked but not too much so. I
just want to clean the water as much as possible for my little friends.
I hear that when ozone is added the protein skimmer sucks out even more
gunk. <Mmm, yes, and a good deal of the same sorts of materials are
"burned up".> I have never had a problem in all the years of running
saltwater tanks but anything that may aid in keeping the water quality
higher for longer should be used. Tons of questions, very little
answers so far. Help! Brad Zimmerman <Be chatting, my curious
friend. Bob Fenner> FO set up question... Hi Bob, I
have a 100 gal fish only system with about 80-90 pounds of live rock. My
setup also has a Turboflotor 1000 skimmer. I'm also Inj. ozone, plus two
25 watt UV sterilizer. My livestock consists of a lg queen angel, lg
panther grouper, flame hawk fish, sm. Huma trigger, and a juv. Atlantic
tang. The water is PRISTINE clear. Like I've never seen before while in
this hobby for over 5 years. I believe its due to the UV sterilizer and
electronic ozone gen. <Likely so... along with your excellent
maintenance> Ok now for my question. Since I am inj. ozone to the
skimmer. should I be monitoring the ORP???? <Hmm, if you're concerned
about over-treatment... but this is likely not an issue... as it has not
been> I figure inj 10mg/hr of ozone per 25 gallons. Is this
correct?? <About right, safe> My fish are doing fine at this
moment. It also seems that my skimmer works better inj. ozone. The
collection cup has darker, thicker, dryer fluid in it when inj. ozone.
<Yes, this is so... they work together better than alone> My last
question is I keep my salinity at 1.018, is this ok? Because I also want
to help manage , and prevent any disease such as ich. Thanks bob.
<Yes for your FO system, this mix of organisms... and you're welcome.
Bob Fenner> Lee Protein Skimmer Hi, Bob. Checking out
your web has become one of the things that I need to do everyday. Keep
learning something new and keep having new questions everyday. I think
that's why we get addicted to this hobby. We would never get bored!
<Agree with you all the way around> Anyway, thanks again
wholeheartedly for your contribution to this hobby. Now my questions
are: Before I connected the protein skimmer with an ozonizer, the
protein skimmer had collected brown colour waste. Now after I added the
ozonizer, the protein skimmer could only extract clear water. The tank
water is actually a lot more clear than before. Should I be worried
about that? <No, this is to be expected> I told u last time that I
have been having difficulty in keeping tomato clown. You suggested me
that I can try some tank-breed small ones. Unfortunately, the LFS
here only offer the wild ones. I am thinking to add some bubble tip
anemones in the hope that it will help the tomato acclimatize. Do you
think it helps? please note that I have no experience at all in keeping
anemones. <Skip the anemone... hard to keep for now. And order the
Clown/s from an etailer. A few are listed on the WWM links page. Amazing
that a LFS would not offer tank bred species here> Thank you very
much in advance. Eric <Be chatting my friend. Bob Fenner> Eric Ho
Coral Life model 50 ozonizer Hi Bob, In my aquarium inventory.
I've stocked quite a bit of aquarium equip. Over the years while being
in this wonderful hobby. I always keep my stuff, never selling them.
Anyhow I have a Coral Life model 50 ozone gen. It puts out 50 mg of
ozone. The package says up to 130 gallons. Yeah if your wondering I even
keep all of the packages. <Good idea... so do I.> Ok my tank is
now a 240 FO system. even though this unit is for a 130 gal. tank. Will
this unit benefit at ALL if I tap it in with my Turboflotor skimmer on
my 240, even though its undersized? Will a little bit of ozone present
make ANY diff??? Thanks again. <Yes... it would be beneficial to
apply 50 milligrams of ozone every hour to your system. As you state,
perhaps less than optimal, but of use nonetheless. Bob Fenner> Lee
Ozone question? I hope I am no pest. <Anthony Calfo in your
service> Please explain why or why not to use ozone for my central
filtration system. U.V sterilizer will help? <UV is used germicidally
to reduce the numbers of pathogens (but no guaranteed cure, mind you).
It is simple and safe but requires very regular maintenance to be
effective... needs prefiltered and clear water clarity from chemical
filtration regularly), bulbs need to be changed every 6 months (they are
dear in price) and the reaction chamber needs to be cleaned/flushed at
least monthly. Ozone on the other hand has numerous benefits:
germicidal, adjustable, imparts oxygen to water, improves clarity
(clears discolorants to reveal icy blue water, improve Redox potential
of the water (indirectly inhibiting algae) and more. However, it can be
overdosed if not controlled. Must be used with a controller or at least
watched with a Redox meter. Effluent water must be passed over carbon
changed regularly. With extreme misuse can be a slight to moderate
health hazard to people. If you are moving fish in and out frequently,
or if your system has a heavy bio-load, I'd suggest an electronic (not
corona discharge) ozonizer with a Redox controller and carbon chamber.
If you are a casual aquarist with a central system that will not see
frequent new entries (w/o quarantine)... then a UV may be safer and
satisfactory. Kindly, Anthony>
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