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More FAQs about Skimmer Selection for Sumps and Refugiums

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Keep those intakes screened!

Protein Skimmer Help: Skimmer adjustment After moving from HOB to Sump 10/7/2009
Hi WWM crew!
<Hi Mark.>
I moved my protein skimmer from the hang on position in the back of my tank to in my sump yesterday.
I removed the hard plastic tubing and put the pump directly on the bottom attachment of the protein skimmer then submerged the pump, and about 1/4-1/3 of the protein skimmer, in my sump.
<Is this a SeaClone? If so, please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/seacloneskimfaqs.htm >
Since then I can not get a great bubble cyclone in the cylindrical part of the protein skimmer. I must have spent 2-3 hours adjusting the valve on the end on the air tube line but no success. I can get a tiny, not well formed, semi chaotic cyclone but not what it used to be when it was hanging on the back of the tank.
<That sounds more and more like a SeaClone.>
I checked everything is tight, no leaks. Any trouble shooting suggestions?
<How deep is the pump? If it is a SeaClone, and it is more than about 3" below the surface of the water, it will not 'suck air' very well at all.
One issue with venturi skimmers is their performance is dependent upon the depth of the water in the sump. Each pump\skimmer combination has a 'sweet spot' that works the best. You really have four options. First, you can live with it, or put the skimmer back where it was. Secondly, you can try a bigger pump, which may or may not work. Third, you can connect an air pump to the air line and force air in. Finally, you could get a better skimmer. There are several good ones out there. The linked page I gave you earlier has links to several articles on different skimmers.>
Thank you,
<My pleasure>
Mark
<MikeV>

Freshwater to Saltwater Sump 4/11/09
Hi guys, and girls, I'm back with another quick question.
<Hello! I hope I can be of some help.>
I found online the Marineland model 4 new sump that a guy had been using for 6 months in his freshwater tank. What do I need to do, as far as the bio wheels having freshwater bacteria compared to saltwater bacteria, to make it work in my 125 gallon reef ready saltwater tank that has been going for 3 years. Can I rinse off the bio wheels in saltwater and let them sit in my sump for a month and let new saltwater bacteria grow on them.
Plus what do you think of the new Marineland acrylic sump model 4, and also the Marineland pro 300 skimmer...??
Thanks for all your past, present and future help.
Aaron
<Aaron, I would not reuse the bio wheels. They are fairly inexpensive so I see no reason to expose your tank to possible contamination. Especially since you do not know the current owner and have no clue as to what he/she may have dosed.(medications, additives, etc.....) The model 4 looks a bit expensive to me considering the price of a glass aquarium with a similar footprint. Building your own with a new or used aquarium, acrylic and some time could save you a nice bit of those hard earned dollars. It would also
give you a bit of room for a refugium. Here are a couple of links with good refugium DIY info and ideas.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/refugium.htm
http://www.melevsreef.com/29g/sump/design.html
After doing a bit of research on the Marineland skimmer it seems to be pretty good bang for your buck. You should also consider The Reef Octopus Extreme 200. Very nice skimmer for the price. I think you should be fine either way. Adam Jenkins>

ASM G2 Or AquaC Remora Pro? 2/12/09
A HOB Skimmer Or A Sump With Skimmer

Hi guys!
<Hello David>
First, and always, thanks for all of your help--you guys do a tremendous service and I truly appreciate it.
<You're welcome.>
I'm in the process of setting up a 92 gallon corner tank for the living room. The current plan is FOWLR, and I doubt I'll be going reef any time in the next year or two. The current set-up (all bought used but in fine working condition):
1. 92 gallon All-Glass tank, not pre-drilled
2. Odyssea PC lights, 4x65
3. Rena Filstar XP-2
4. 40lb of Live Sand (looking to add another 40lb)
5. 60lb of Live Rock
6. 29 gallon quarantine tank with BioWheel 200, and 3-4 inch layer of sand/crushed coral.
The tank is currently cycling, and the livestock consists of a six hermits, six snails, and a shy peppermint shrimp. Next on my agenda and before any fish is choosing the right protein skimmer.
<Yes.>
Because the tank is not pre-drilled, I was not originally planning on using a sump. Instead I was going to invest in the pricey, but highly touted AquaC Remora Pro to do my skimming. I had some good skimmate with a CPR BakPak with an Acella pump on an earlier 75 FOWLR, but always found that my nitrates were high. So I did some research at your site and others and AquaC looks like a very good company.
<It is and very good customer service.>
I asked some friends what they thought, though, and they said I'd be better off with a sump than an HOB. One guy I know is downgrading and selling a CPR overflow, 30 gallon sump, and ASM G2 for about $100 less than the Remora Pro. (It's been used, obviously.) I like the idea of the sump because of the possibility of having a refugium, and although the tank is a corner unit, it's already off one wall 5 inches because my original plan was to have a HOB skimmer. What are your thoughts on the ASM G2--is it comparable with the Remora Pro (better/worse)? What do you recommend?
<If it were me, I'd take the used package with the sump, overflow and the ASM G2. A sump offers increased gas exchange and a place to put your heater and protein skimmer. The HOB Remora has no external drain connection on the collection cup. That scares me, there is always the chance the cup may overflow getting the nice brown skimmate on your floor or carpet. If you go the HOB route, I'd suggest installing an external drain to the collection cup.
As to which skimmer is better, I've never used an ASM skimmer so my first hand knowledge is nil, but from what I've learned about them, I'd say the G2 would have an edge over the Remora Pro due to your tank size. The ASM G2 is advertised to handle up to a 200 gallon tank where the Remora claims 75+. How far does + go, I don't know. I've also heard the ASM's are overrated as to the tank size they will handle. Just hearsay mind you, I have no facts. The ASM G2 also comes with a Sedra pump which in my opinion is a much better pump than the Rio 1400 that is included with the basic Remora  Pro package. You will be much happier with a sump and an in-sump skimmer.>
Thanks always!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
-David

Good short skimmer, sel.  1/21/09
Hola Crew.
<Como estas John?>
I have a 75 gallon tank with a 30 gallon sump refugium combination. The skimmer chamber is approximately 12 by 14 and currently holds an ASM G2.
While I like this skimmer I have a quandary.
<OK>
The cabinet is only about 23-24 inches tall and the cabinet trim and the sump height make it difficult to do cleaning and maintenance.
<All too common my friend.>
In addition, when I set the sump water level at 8-9 inches I have a lot of microbubbles. When I elevate the water level, the bubbles subside but the skimmer doesn't function well. I cannot elevate the skimmer within the tight height of the cabinet.
I have decided to rebuild the sump with a shorter longer sump tank to maintain capacity but make maintenance easier. I would like to replace my skimmer with a shorter model, making maintenance, and perhaps elevation, easier. However I know that in general tower height increases efficiency.
<Yes, but it is just one factor.>
Do you have any recommendations on skimmers which support a 150 gallon capacity with SPS coral standards but which fit in a shorter environment?
<Quite a few out there. Many of the Becket type skimmers are shorter and will serve you well. For my money in this situation it is time to look either the AquaC EV line or the ATI Bubblemasters. Both are great skimmers in short
packages.>
Thanks in advance.
John / Fishnu
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Re: Good short skimmer, sel. 1/28/09
Thanks Scott.
<Welcome.>
Any recommendation under 20"?
<The Aqua C EV120.>
What do you hear about Turboflotor 5000 Shorty?
<It works fine, a descent skimmer. But for my money the AquaC is the way to go. Scott V.>

Re: Good short skimmer, sel. 1/28/09
Thanks Scott. Hadn't looked at the 120. I like the cup drain and the ball valve.... I had to mod my own ASM G2. This will give me SPS quality skimming for < 100 gallons?
<Oh yes, definitely. A fine choice for your setup.>

Refugium <skimmer use f'), (Red Slime Algae) and ODD Blue/Green   12/17/08
Chromis behavior,
Hi Guys,
<Howsit Chris?>
I have a 1.5 year old 110 gal reef tank with a 30 gal sump and have just added a 30 gal refugium that is cycled off of the sump via a pump that operates my UV sterilizer and gravity flows back into my sump.
The problem is that I have followed many other peoples advise
<advice>
and taken my skimmer OFF my tank after adding the refugium and this has caused some huge NITRATE problems.
<Even my friend Leng Sy, owner/operator of EcoSystem Aquarium, the originator of (Miracle) Mud filtration endorses skimmer use nowadays...>
Really Bad Idea. I went from 10 ppm to >50PPM ! I know. So I researched more on your site and saw Bob's great advise is to KEEP IT ON (the skimmer that is).
<Ah yes>
I can verify this, keep skimming! So I added my Aqua-C EV120 back and am skimming like a madman, still high on NitrAtes though. In seven days I have changed out 45 gal of water and still have high NitrAtes though! I added a NitrAte reactor to try and reduce the nitrates will take a week or 2 to get working correctly will let you know if/how it works out.
<Takes a while...>
Anyway Tank Param.s are:
110 Gal
1.023 sal
78.5 degrees F
0 NitrIte
>50ppm NitrAte
8.2PH
3meq/l Alk
480 Calcium
0 Ammonia
<.10 PO4
4" live sand
130 lb live rock "Vanuatu" and "Fiji" mix
Livestock:
7 blue/green chromis
1 maroon clown
1 scopas tang
1 yellow tang
1 chevron tang
1 powder blue tang
1 coral banded shrimp
2 blood/fire shrimp
1 serpent star
10 turbo snails
various snails and hermits
Corals:
1 red bubble tip anemone
1 huge hammer coral
various mushrooms and Zoanthids
Question #1
Anyway about 9 months ago I battled a problem with RED SLIME algae and took a long time to get rid of, using some mix product ( I don't recall the brand) that didn't seem to work but after a month it finally did eradicate the red slime algae from the display tank. So to my question. After adding the Refugium (25 lbs miracle mud) and Gracilaria and Halimeda algae with good water flow, I started getting the dreaded RED SLIME algae in my refugium only and on the macro algae. What's the deal with that? Main tank is fine. Other than stated high NitrAtes.
<Cycling in a word... succession... opportunistic Cyano... Again, mostly time going by will solve this>
Question #2
Also, I have 1 of the 7 blue/green chromis that is the largest of them all (about 3") he has started to get a really blue tail that is markedly darker in blue than his body, this is new. Also he swims into a vertical position (head up) in a specific area of the tank and scares off all other intruders.
<Dominance...>
Including a blood shrimp that walks over to his hang out and the Chromis nips his legs and pincers and he tries to use a mock spine in his tail to strike the shrimp (does not hurt or even intimidate the shrimp). My Chromis have learned this behavior from mimic-ing the aggressive tang behavior,
<Interesting>
its kind of funny watching the chromis try and strike each other with their tails like the tangs do. I would normally think that this chromis is a pregnant female or egg watching but I have yet to see any eggs or anything like that. What's the deal?
<Summat as you say... this is reproductive behavior...>
Chris Edwards
<Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner>

Refugium skimmer use/ Bluethroat Trigger feeding   12/14/08
Hi again guys and gals
<Hello again Si!>
Just to let you know after a long debate I finally got myself a refugium built to fit my tank <Great.> after lots of research and chatting to the people who know, I have been told with the refugium on the tank that I wouldn't need to use a skimmer on the tank?
<Hmm, I do not subscribe to this. A skimmer and refugium are both tools for increasing your water quality, using both makes it just that much better.>
Oh well there goes the idea of skimmer as the overflow inlet, but as you previously said Co2 problems makes sense to. I'm going to let the refugium establish (once it arrives) and keep a check on the parameters of my tank to see if it works out (fingers crossed and toes),
got miracle mud at the ready and a nice bloom of feather Caulerpa and red grape algae to put in.
<These macros will generally compete, with the former likely to win out in time.>
Oh well see how it all pans out. Just hope the new pair of Bluethroat triggers appreciate it :) Any ideas on feeding these pair?
<Many!>
Been in only two days, they've come out from hiding but haven't touched a scrap as yet, the female is definitely the brave one, is it just persistence and different food trials :(.
<Part of it. Do read here, much useful information re feeding triggers, Sufflamen albicaudatus in particular: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trigfdgfaqs.htm. They are fairly timid for a trigger, give it time.>
Thanks for the feedback once again, ever grateful
Si
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Refugium and Skimmer Placement – 08/04/08
I have a 90gal reef to be tank; first of all I'd like to say I screwed the whole thing up...
<<…?>>
But now for my question; I have a protein skimmer and it hangs on the edge of my tank but you can't even see my tank with all of the bubbles.
<<Something is amiss. Either the skimmer requires some adjustment…or you need a different/better skimmer>>
I am currently constructing a refugium with the help of your web site, here goes: I want to take my overflow hose that is currently hooked up to my sump tank, put a T in it with one side going into the sump and the other side going to my refugium with a valve to limit flow.
<<Okay>>
This eliminates the need for another overflow box.
So now water is going into the sump and into the refugium, at the same time as water passes through the refugium (17in tall) it will then overflow back into the pump chamber of my sump (12in tall) and then be pumped out thus saving me a pump.
<<A good methodology>>
If you’re not totally lost by now, I wanted to put the protein skimmer in the refugium but I'm not sure about the bubbles, will it affect refugium?
<<Indeed… Aside from the bubbles (which need to be addressed), it will extract and destroy much of the beneficial life by its proximity re. It would be much better to place the skimmer in the sump where the raw surface water enters from the tank>>
And what do you think about my refugium?
<<What you have described is fine>>
Thanks, I love your web site.
<<Happy to share. EricR>>

Running Protein Skimmer Outside Sump 2/28/08
Hello
<Hello.>
I have a new 65 gallon reef ready all glass set up. I also have a 11.5 gallon refugium.
<Great! A refugium is a nice addition to any tank.>
My problem is that my skimmer is too wide to fit into the compartments... how can I plumb the skimmer outside the refugium or use a container to place it into? I have a 38 gal reef set up I am moving to the new 65 gallon.
Thanks
<As far as externally plumbing the skimmer, it will depend on which skimmer you have. Some simply cannot be run like this. You can easily get a container (tank, plastic bin, 5 gal bucket if it will fit into it) to run it in. You will need to have your overflow feeding the skimmer container and then have the container overflow into the rest of your sump/refugium system via a bulkhead (Uniseals are nice if you use the 5 gal bucket) and PVC. There are many ways to do this, all different for each situation. It all just requires a little innovation. Good luck, Scott V.>

Re: Running Protein Skimmer Outside Sump 2/29/08
Okay the skimmer type is a aquatic life support systems by optimum aquarium mtg. already has a place for the inlet to screw into and a outlet.
<I am not familiar with this particular skimmer. You may be able to externally plumb it if the skimmer is a quality recirculation model (does not leak). If you have questions about its suitability to run externally I would contact the manufacturer.>
Not sure what a Uniseal is? can you explain?
<It is a flexible bulkhead; more accurately a pipe grommet. They are handy for running pipe through irregular or round shapes such as a bucket. A simple Google search will show you exactly what they are.>
I read I should cut two holes in the return pipe in the overflow.. is this correct?
<You mean your sump return line? You can drill two small (1/8” or so) holes just below the waterline to act as a siphon break in the event of a power outage. >
Thanks
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Low(er) Cost in-Sump Skimmers and reliability
In-Sump Skimmers Of Quality – 12/07/07
While you review several hang-on skimmers for low-volume systems, I've found myself at a complete loss for a skimmer suitable to my system.
<<Hmm…with the better manufacturers (Euro-Reef, AquaC, H&S, Schuran, Tunze, others) the manufacturers recommendations are a good guide>>
I have a 125 glass system with overflow to a 50 gallon sump, actually my former tank drilled. There's usually at least 30 gallons down there, though I let it fluctuate a bit. I've found a fairly hands-off approach to be immensely successful. I haven't lost a fish or coral in approximately six months.
<<Very good…but do realize this time-frame is but a fraction of the natural lifespan, for most. True success will be measured in years, even decades>>
The skimmer from my old tank, a Coralife rated for a 65 gallon tank, was woefully inept,
<<Not surprising>>
and in any case broke during the installation. I need a skimmer capable of handling this system.
<<Several come to mind>>
I need a couple brand names that are reliable, that I could perhaps pick up used.
<<Have listed several above…will take some work on your part to find the “used”>>
There's a huge number of brands out there with no explanation or history, and most of what's there has conflicting reviews, claims of incredible skimming prowess followed by several scathing denials of its usefulness.
<<Ha-ha, indeed! And will tell…Euro-Reef skimmers are my current fave. I have an old-model CS12-3 running on my 500g (en toto) reef system>>
When I worked in a LFS, which fell apart due to the owner's insanity and Xanax abuse,
<<…!>>
we used large scale "G" skimmers, big effective things that sat in tubs and sump and produced mountains of the foul smelling stuff we all know and love.
<<Ah yes…for the most part a cheaper version of the ER skimmers>>
Enormous collection cups made management easy. I'd like a few recommendations on what's solid, as I'd hate to blow a few hundred bucks on something as trashy as my old Coralife.
<<Euro-Reef gets my vote…nor do I don’t think you would be unhappy with the price/quality of an AquaC either>>
Hey, they make good PCs, they must know what they're doing on skimmers right? Wrong.
<<Mmm…>>
While I probably won't pick up new, scouring Craigslist and eBay for a cheap second hand is in my budget, and I'd like to know a worthwhile deal when I see it.
Thanks!
Eric Jackson
<<Happy to share. Eric Russell>>






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