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Behavior Related Articles:
Mollies, & Poeciliids: Guppies, Platies, Swordtails, Mollies
by Neale Monks, Livebearing Fishes
by Bob Fenner,
Related FAQs: Mollies 1, Mollies 2,
Molly Identification FAQs,
Molly Compatibility FAQs,
Molly Selection FAQs,
Molly System FAQs,
Molly Feeding FAQs,
Molly Disease FAQs,
Molly Reproduction FAQs,
Livebearers, Guppies,
Platies, Swordtails,
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Molly Behavior/disease 1/4/09
Hello, I have a 55 gallon freshwater community tank. I have some tetras,
livebearers, and small catfish. I specifically have 4 small black mollies (still
babies), 4 silver mollies, and 1 starburst molly. My water is perfectly fine. My
male silver molly has been acting strange. He hides in every corner he can find,
and when not hiding, he is swimming behind plants, head up. He never eats
the food, and just hides. He acts sick, but there is nothing on his skin. 3 of
my 4 black mollies are in a quarantine tank for lip fungus. Help! <Hello
Rachel. One problem with Mollies is that they are not reliable freshwater fish.
Most aquarists experience what you do when they are kept in freshwater tanks:
lethargy, loss of colour, odd swimming behaviour, and random diseases including
Finrot and fungus. The only 100% reliable way to maintain Mollies is to treat
them as brackish water fish. Buy some marine salt mix -- not "aquarium salt" or
"tonic salt" -- and add the marine salt mix to each bucket of water at a dose of
around 5-6 grammes per litre. Marine salt mix contains carbonate salts that
raise the hardness and sodium chloride that raises salinity. Together these
things stabilise the pH and reduce the toxicity of nitrate, and it appears to be
these things that help. (Tonic/aquarium salt only contains sodium chloride, and
so doesn't do both these things, and is consequently a waste of money.) Mollies
thrive in brackish water, and at low salinities so will other livebearers
including Guppies, Platies and Swordtails. But do understand that most catfish
and tetras do not appreciate brackish conditions, and consequently shouldn't be
kept with Mollies. It's a very common mistake for people to buy Mollies for
community tanks -- despite the fact most aquarium books state clearly Mollies
prefer slightly saline conditions. Do read here for more:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollies.htm Cheers, Neale.>
Thanks! <Most welcome. Neale.>
Balloon
Mollies - One of 'em not mixing (Behaviour; environment?)
10/17/08
Hi, <Hello,> We've recently bought three balloon mollies (One male, two
female). The male and one of the females are instantly pals, always shadowing
each other and playing. <No, they're not playing. The male is trying to mate,
and more than likely the female is trying not to! It's always dangerous to
anthropomorphise when talking about animal behaviour. Most animals I know get
very offended when I assume they think like humans!> They were quick to begin
exploring the tank after being introduced. The other female however, does not
join them. She seems to spend a lot of time against one side of the tank. She's
not up at the surface, nor hiding from sight. She just keeps going up and down
as if she's searching for a way out. They are the first 3 fish in a 30 gallon
tank. The water properties are good (7.5ph, 0.25ppm nitrate current, 81 degrees
F) <Hmm... do you really mean "0.25 ppm nitrate"? That's very low, and not
many consumer-grade test kits register such tiny amounts. If that's 0.25 ppm
nitrite (note the "I" in there, as opposed to the "a" in nitrate) then we have a
whole different ball game. Mollies are incredibly sensitive to nitrite,
particularly if (unwisely) you have opted to keep them in freshwater conditions
(which, frankly, hardly ever works out well). If you have a nitrite level that
is detectable, then you have too much, and Mollies respond by getting sick, and
then dying. Consider them "miner's canaries" if you like. If this is a new
aquarium, I'd heartily recommend switching to slightly brackish conditions by
adding marine salt mix (Instant Ocean, Reef Crystals, etc.) at a dose of, say,
4-6 grammes per litre. Sodium chloride has a useful property of undoing some of
the damage caused by ammonia and nitrite, and marine salt mix also contains
other minerals that buffer the pH and hardness. Net result, Mollies thrive
instead of survive. This low dose won't harm your filter. Since Balloon Mollies
shouldn't be mixed with any other type of fish, the fact you're adding salt
isn't an issue in terms of tankmates. Problem solved.> Now, she is white and
the other two are black, can that be an issue? (the two black ones seem to
gently 'recruit' her away from the side of the tank from time to time) <Nope;
all the same species, or likely hybrid.> Also, she is significantly more
plump then the other two. If she's pregnant, will she be anti-social? <Nope.>
Thank you in advance, Nick <Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Balloon Mollies - One of 'em not
mixing (Behaviour; environment?) 10/19/08 Hi Thanks for the prompt reply.
<Most welcome.> First off, I did mean 0.25ppm Nitr[I]te. I'll admit, we only
allowed the new tank about a week and a half of cycling before getting the
mollies. We figured three of them in a 30 gallon would help speed the cycling
process (with daily partial water changes until it settled). <Then that's why
your Mollies aren't well. Case closed. Mollies just don't tolerate nitrite or
ammonia well, at least not in freshwater conditions.> As far as the salt
goes, we have very slightly brackish water (about half the recommended treatment
- so a tablespoon per 10 gallons) as we did intend for this to be a community
tank. <This isn't "slightly brackish" anything. Slightly brackish is around
SG 1.003-1.005, 6-9 grammes per litre. Six grammes of salt is about one level
teaspoon, and one US gallon is 3.75 litres. So if my math is correct, SG 1.003
is about 22.5 grammes of marine salt mix per US gallon, or just under four
teaspoons of marine salt mix per US gallon. Ten US gallons would therefore need
4 x 10 teaspoons = 40 teaspoons, and 40/3 = 13.3 tablespoons of marine salt mix.
Your dose of salt is quite obviously not nearly enough to make a difference. I
just can't stress strongly enough how important it is for Mollies to be kept --
long term -- in brackish water.> (plans were for two angels, three mollies
and 5 or 6 medium tetras/Danios/somethin'rathers) <Forget it. Mollies don't
work with these fish. Instead look for other brackish water (or at least salt
tolerant) tankmates. Very many options, including Guppies, Halfbeaks, Limia,
gobies, sleepers, certain cichlids, even certain catfish. Plenty on brackish
water species at WWM.> However!... The white molly I wrote to you about gave
birth and now she is social with the other two. Shortly thereafter, the black
female went into hiding on the gravel, under a log and later that day, she
started birthing too. I'm sure a number of 'em got eaten but we have spotted and
netted 18 fry in all. We don't have a separate tank for 'em so I'm keeping them
in the breeder trap for now. <Cool.> I guess I'll add the bit more salt
and just look forward to watching some of these little ones grow up instead of
getting other fish. lol Will they be okay in the breeder trap until they are
large enough to swim free with the adults? <The babies will be fine with
their parents once about 1.5 cm long, which should only take 6 weeks or so.>
Nick <Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Balloon Mollies - One of 'em not
mixing (Behaviour; environment?) 12/5/08 Hello again, how's it
going? Good, I hope :-) So to update you, our tank finished it's cycle with
the mollies in it, water tests are perfect now and we have not lost a single one
of the fry we had caught. We've added much more salt to keep 'em happy and added
three guppies to the mix... <Sounds good!> Now we're seeing a problem:
After about a week and a half of being introduced, one of the female guppies
started picking at the side of our white molly. She managed to pluck off some
scales, and a part of her side fin before we separated her (the guppy) from the
rest. We don't have another tank so we kept her in the breeder for three days.
We have raised the temperature (to 83 degrees) and added some extra "stress
coat" product to promote fast healing. Upon her release though, the guppy goes
straight for the white molly again! (Guppy pays no attention to the other two
Black Mollies, who sort of come to defend the white one, but are too passive to
really make a difference). The white molly does nothing to defend herself but
hide. Now, even the mollify-fry have started picking at her... Why do you
suppose they're all after her? There is no way for her to recover in the tank
unless we isolate her in the breeder but what do we do if everyone in the tank
keeps picking at her when she's all better? Thanks again, Nick <Guppies
(and even more so Mollies as well) are adapted to graze, and have mouthparts
that open up in such a way they can scrape flat objects. In the wild, that means
they can rasp algae away from rocks and plants. Now, the problem is that if
they find something else tasty, they'll rasp away at that. Algae wafers on the
bottom of the tank, a dead fish, or indeed a patch of mucous or blood on the
side of a slow-moving tankmate. In this instance, isolating her in another tank
or even the breeding net will be the only way to stop this. I don't often
recommend putting mollies in breeding traps, but right here, right now, this
might be the only way forward. Cheers, Neale.>
Marble Molly behavior 7/6/08
Hi... I have a question about a different behavior we have noticed
recently with one of our Marble Mollies. We have 2 males and one female
currently in our aquarium and all interact with each other wonderfully and
seem to be doing great. Within the last day or two however, one of the males
has been swimming around with his top fin standing straight up - looking
like he has a Mohawk. What does this behavior mean and is it something we
should be concerned about?
Jaime
<Hi Jaime. Male Mollies display to one another and to potential mates. By
raising their dorsal fins, they make themselves look bigger and more
impressive. So that's normal enough, and simply means the males are sexually
mature. Now, here's my concern: two males to one female is a terrible ratio.
The males will constantly be harassing the poor girl. They will be chasing
her, trying to insert their gonopodia so that they can fertilise her. It's
essentially perpetual gang rape, day-in, day-out! Needless to say this is
stressful, and the females commonly end up aborting their fry instead of
carrying them to term. In the wild females live in big groups, and that
allows them space from the males, who actually fight amongst themselves to
get sole access to a group of females. But in the aquarium the only kind way
to keep Mollies is to keep at least two females per male. That will balance
things out in the favour of the females. Obviously Mollies also need lots of
space, certainly nothing less than 75 litres/20 gallons so that the fish can
spread out and, if necessary, hide away from each other if they need some
rest. This benefits the males, which tend to fight, and the females, which
are constantly having to deal with males trying to inseminate them. Hope
this helps, Neale.>
Molly question, behavior 7/1/08
I have a female Lyretail mostly black, (not enough white to be Marble or
Dalmatian), molly, that is constantly being pestered by a male Lyretail
creamsicle molly. I've seen them mate at least 100 times. Will he ever stop
pestering her?
<Not likely.>
Assuming she is with fry, when should I expect her to give birth?
<About every 6 weeks or so depending on conditions.>
Is there any way to tell when she is ready?
<Easiest way it that she will be especially round, also sometimes a gravid
spot can be seen. See here for more
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/livebrrreprofaqs.htm .>
What color do you think they will be?
<Impossible to tell, could be almost anything.>
I heard that black mollies only give birth to black female mollies no matter
what color the mate is, but I find this questionable?
<This is not my experience.>
Thanks,
Laura
<Welcome>
<Chris>
Aggressive Molly 2/23/08
Hi,
I am fairly new to the hobby...I have in my tank one black male molly, one male
Sailfin molly and four male guppy's in brackish water. The guppy's are new
additions and the black molly seems to chase all of the guppy's constantly to
the point were they just hide amongst plants.
This is not new behavior it did the same with the other black molly I used to
keep, to the point I am convinced it died from the stress/bullying...just my
guess it may of been sick/weak but im sure it was bullying. I don't want the
same thing to happen to My Guppy's is the only option to remove the problem
fish? I don't have another tank so I would have to take it back to store. Would
you recommend taking the black Molly out of the tank?
<This behaviour is (unfortunately) all too common in home aquaria. There really
isn't a fix. Male livebearers don't live long (their smaller size and brighter
colours mean males are more vulnerable to predation than the females). So all
they think about is monopolising access to the females as much as possible until
they die! Mollies and Guppies both belong to the same genus, Poecilia, and view
one another as potential rivals. Since the Guppy is so much smaller than the
Molly, it is typically the Guppy that gets bullied and the Molly that does the
bullying. It is universally good advice to keep livebearers as one species per
tank and ideally one male per 3 or more females to avoid precisely these sorts
of problem. Anything else is ALWAYS a gamble; either the males fight with each
other the males harass the females, leading to miscarriages (and obviously fewer
babies). Adding additional females may dilute the problem somewhat, but it never
really fixes it. Cheers, Neale.>
My Mollies are all fine thank
goodness. -01/30/08
<Good.>
This morning when I woke up I sat to watch my fish.
<Ah yes! Best start to the day...>
I noticed that one of my males was injecting his anal fin into one of my
females. He is also sniffing her under belly. From my research I learned that
means the female is pregnant.
<That's the theory, anyway. The anal fin is effectively a penis, and used to
direct a packet of sperm into the female where the eggs will be fertilised.>
I also noticed that he was also sniffing the other females' under belly.
<I'm not sure 'sniffing' is the word here, more likely just looking to check
she's a she and not a he.>
Did he make those females pregnant too?
<Almost certainly.>
One thing I think is out of the ordinary is even though he isn't near a female
or injecting a female he keeps moving his anal fine back and forth.
<Completely normal.>
What is he doing?
<Enjoying himself.> Great website, Karleigh
<Cheers, Neale.>
Mollies being panicked to see
people... 12/30/07
Dear Neale,
<Kathy,>
I have two molly tanks (both are about 38 gallon). In one of them are 9 bigger
mollies. They used to be very happy to see me come near their tank
knowing that I am going to feed them. But recently they become very scared of
people (almost panicked to see any movement I make). I am not quite sure what
caused such big change in their behaviour.
<Hmm... water quality/chemistry changes can make fish nervous, and such
behaviour is one of the best early warning signs of such troubles. In addition,
check for things like sources of noise as well as the loss of hiding places,
e.g., if you've cut back the plants or moved the rocks about.>
I have to move slowly when walking towards the tank. They all hide in one
corner... Until they see some food floating do they slowly come out to eat.
After the meal, they again hide themselves if I am still around.
<Odd. I have to ask: are they in freshwater or brackish? Mollies are sensitive
to low pH, low hardness, and high nitrate, and adding marine salt mix, even at
fairly low doses, will help here. Common aquarium salt will detoxify nitrate,
but obviously doesn't do anything to raise the hardness or pH.>
The orange molly in that tank is sort of aggressive. She always chases away
every fish. But she has been in that tank lone time. This change just
started a week ago. Do you have any suggestion as to what I can do to find out
the cause or correct the situation?
<Mollies do tend to be aggressive; this is a real problem with these fish, and
one not a lot of people are aware of. In any case, there really aren't any
"fixes" beyond [a] adding more females to dilute aggression and [b] providing
more hiding places to break up the line of sight. Floating plants are especially
good, but things like clay flower pots and tall plastic plants are great too.>
Thanks for your time and wish you & your family a happy & prosperous new year of
2008!
<And likewise to your own kith and kin!>
Kathy
<Cheers, Neale.>
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Mollie and Platy beh.
12/28/07
Hello,
First, tank detail:
The livebearers:
1 Dalmatian balloon molly
<... Have you read on WWM re?>
1 Red Wag (?) platy
The grumpy:
1 Bumblebee Goby
<Mmm, this is a brackish water animal>
The amphibious:
1 African Dwarf Frog
The clean up crew:
2 Ghost shrimp
1 Kuhli loach
1 Otocinclus
They live in a 5 gallon (18.9 litre) tank (let it be known now that I am aware
the tank is small, but I am diligent with the water chemistry), with extremely
closely watched parameters, and large water changes at least once a week.
<Good... hopefully not too much change with the water...>
Tank temperature is generally in the mid-high 70s,
<You have a purposeful heater?>
with incandescent light to promote algae growth for the oto. Nitrates slightly
high,
<How high is high?>
all else is normal, absolutely no ammonia in the water. Medium blue substrate,
small terra cotta pots for hiding spaces, as well as clear marble aquarium
decor.
Includes three types of live plants, the one in question being the pongol sword,
which looks exactly like this:
http://www.aquaplantas.com/images/fotos_plantas/0158-Clorophytum-P-Sword.jpg
<Mmm... am compelled to state that this, aka Spider or Ribbon plant is NOT
aquatic... See the Net re>
Here, finally, comes the question:
I first noticed this behavior with my molly: it seems to be scratching itself
against the sword, the broad portion of it. However, it does this with ONLY the
sword. It does not scratch against the gravel, filter, or the other plants or
aquarium walls. Just now, I noticed the platy doing the exact same thing. Again,
only with the sword, nothing else in the tank. What is going on here?
<Some scratching is natural... not indicative of disease...>
Do they just like the way it feels? Neither of the fish appear to be infected
with anything, all of the creatures are eating healthy, and they are all active.
I have one more question, this one should be easier: my platy has the tell-tale
dark spot of the preggers female. But it also has the gonopodium.
Did I receive a hermaphrodite?
<Not likely... but it may be changing, or expressing itself as one or the
other...>
Thanks in advance,
Alex.
<Do see Neale's pc. re Mollies: http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollies.htm
And elsewhere on WWM re Brachygobius, and start dreaming and scheming (if you
haven't already) for another or larger system... you need it. Bob Fenner>
Re: Mollie and Platy beh....
Kings and Queens of De Nile 12/29/07
Thanks for your reply,
I have, in fact, been looking out for a better system, but for now, I think this
could do.
<Mmm, not with the mix of species you have>
The molly appears to be quite happy, and because every time I change the water,
I also rearrange all of the plants and decorations (much to the dismay of the
loach) so the molly may not get bored for a while.
I don't actually have a heater, but the bulb seems to be doing well enough on
its own. If the temperature ever steadily drops beyond what the fish can handle,
I will buy a heater.
<Uhh... you need one now>
And about the platy hermaphrodite...
<Serial...>
yep, she had babies. Had to fish out around twelve of the little buggers. I'm
keeping them in a half-gallon tank (it's all I have now) and feeding them ground
shrimp pellets. I haven't had a chance to get more suitable food, but I may be
able to wing it with hard-boiled egg yolk and minced bits of worms. I'm
currently lighting their tank with an old-style desk lamp... you know, the ones
that get extremely hot to the touch.
I'm positive the goby type that I have in the bigger tank is the one that can
live in freshwater.
<Please send along an image>
About the sword.. I had suspected as much, but the molly and platy seem to enjoy
it so much, I may just keep it.
Regards,
Alex.
<I'd keep reading. BobF>
Re: Mollie and Platy
beh.... More chatting, now re Tetras 12/29/07
Thanks for the continuing suggestions, you'll be pleased to know, I
gave up the molly and goby in favor of tetras. Much easier to deal with.
<Hmm... oddly enough, doesn't always work out this way. Cardinal and
some other tetras can sometimes be disappointingly short lived in very
hard (20+ dH) water, whereas gobies and Mollies in hard water with a
little salt added are very, very durable. But still, if you don't want
to keep a brackish system, then there's no mileage in trying to keep
brackish fish in plain freshwater.>
I'll look in to a heater... what's the optimal temperature for this tank
to be at?
<Unless otherwise stated, tropical fish should be kept at 25C/77F. A
degree or two either way won't make much difference, but most tropicals
will weaken and die below 20C/68F. Conversely, keeping fish above
28C/82F can cause problems with oxygen starvation and short life spans.>
Can you suggest a good temperature to keep the baby fish? It's around
80F in the tank, I brought it down a little because I'm afraid of frying
the fry.
<Nope, keep the fry at the same temperature as the adults.>
Regards,
Alex
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mollie and Platy
beh. 12/29/07
Thank you very much for your help and suggestions, guys. I am
hopefully well on my way to having a happy tank.
<Very good.>
I have rummy-nose tetras.. so far, they seem to pretty much stick to
themselves.
<These are excellent fish. There are at least two different species sold
as these, but in either case provided they are given soft, acidic water
conditions they are quite hardy and long-lived. Tend not to do well in
hard, alkaline water though. Do keep in groups of at least six, or they
pine away.>
About the heater: I hate to sound to skeptical, but are you sure it is
required?
<It's really as simple as this: if the climate in your house is
identical to that of the Brazilian rainforest, then no, you don't need
the heater. But if your house gets colder than the Brazilian rainforest,
then you need a heater. In other words, a daytime variation between a
peak at ~25C/77F in the day and a low of ~20C/68F at night will be fine.
When kept at the wrong temperatures, fish either die from
suffocation/heat exhaustion (if too hot) or immune/digestive system
failures (if too cold). Your move.>
I keep the light on in the tank at least 10 hours of the day in order to
promote algae growth, and the temperature through that alone hovers
around 78F (I have one of those 'ballpark' strip thermometers).
<Doesn't matter what sort of thermometer you use, so long as its
accurate to within a degree or two. Given a basic, LCD stick-on-the-tank
one costs very little (they come as free gifts on all kinds of fish kit)
there's NO excuse for not using one.>
I NEVER let the water drop or rise out of the 70s. The fry tank is now
at the same temperature.
<If this is so, then fine.>
I can't remember where I read it, but during my reading up on how to
care for livebearers, it was mentioned that the fry enjoy high-protein
diets.
<Garbage. Livebearers (with a few exceptions like the Pike livebearer)
feed almost entirely on algae and mosquito larvae. Both of these are low
protein foods, algae more so than mosquito larvae, but mosquito larvae
are still only something like 4% protein. The vast majority of dietary
problems with livebearers come from lack of fibre -- greens -- rather
than lack of protein. All this will be explained in any book on
livebearing fish, of which there are many.>
Somewhere it was also mentioned that hard-boiled egg yolk works. I
mashed a small portion of an egg yolk to a pulp in a small dish of water
and fed it to the fry, and they ate with gusto.
<This is an old-school treat for fish fry, and does indeed work well.
But it's a treat, maybe once or twice a week. For the rest of the time,
algae, Algae, ALGAE! There are plenty of algae-based (often Spirulina)
flake and dried foods in the shops, or else you can use algae-covered
rocks from green ponds or chop up Sushi Nori bought cheaply from an
Asian food market.>
Should I continue this diet?
<As a treat, sure, but it isn't required.>
Should any greens be involved?
<Yes! Livebearers are omnivores, just like us. And just like humans:
without meaty foods, they're fine; but without green foods, they get
sick and die!>
Thanks for all the help!
-Alex.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mollie and Platy beh.
12/31/07
Thanks very much for the heads up about the fry! I'll start adding greens
immediately. And thanks very much for all the other information! If I have
anymore questions, I will be sure to contact you.
Regards,
Alex.
<Glad we could help. Cheers, Neale.>
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FW, ammonia, Molly size Qs
11/28/2007
Hi-
<Howdy>
I am a beginning aquarist. I bought 1 platy and 2 mollies (Silver and Dalmatian)
to start my 10gallon tank. I didn’t have an ammonia test at the time (stupid I
realize now) and the mollies quickly developed ich and died.
The platy is still alive. I decided that I would just keep the platy for now,
wait a month, or until the cycle begins and then gradually add more fish. My
sister in effort to be nice to me bought me 1 HYPERLINK
"http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=1055"
Black Lyretail Molly, 1 Creamcicle Lyretail Molly, 2 Zebra Danios and a sail as
a surprise for me. I wasn’t ready for that many fish- but now I have them. I
have read many times that zebra danios are to be kept in groups of 5 or more.
Should I buy more Zebras?
Would that be overcrowding my tank?
<I would hold off on adding more Danios... As you state... it's getting crowded,
and your livebearers may well have babies>
Also, how big do the Creamcicle and Black Lyretail Mollies get?
<In such a small tank... likely about two inches in length. In larger systems,
about twice this>
I have been reading a lot of websites and it seems that everyone has a different
answer (especially with the Creamcicle one).
<You can look up the names under the word: Mollienesia... the genus... and see
that various species, likely sphenops in this case, do grow to larger sizes in
bigger settings>
I have decided to do frequent water changes to counteract the huge ammonia
spike. Is this the right thing to do?
<Is one way to go... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwn2cycfaqs.htm
and the linked files above.>
Help!
Sincerely,
Bea
<Bob Fenner>
Molly Flashing
11/28/2007
Hi. I have a 10 gallon aquarium that I use for Molly fry. I've noticed that
the fry like to bounce off the rocks in the tank. They're not rubbing their
bodies, just a quick rub of the head area. Most of the fish in the tank do this
at some point. They all appear healthy, are growing and feeding vigorously. We
have only lost two babies out of approximately 50 that have passed through the
tank since July. Is this behavior normal or a sign of a parasite? Thanks, Joyce
<Hello Joyce. Are you adding marine salt mix to the aquarium? And what's the
water chemistry? Mollies (and indeed most other fish) scratch their bodies when
they are irritated. Sometimes this can be a sign of illness, specifically
parasites that attack the skin and/or gills. But it can also be an indication of
water chemistry issues, particularly excessively low or high pH levels. Just to
recap, Mollies need very hard (ideally over 20 degrees dH) water and a pH of not
less than 7.5 and ideally around 8.0. While not all Molly keepers agree, there's
a widely held view that adding marine salt mix to the aquarium is beneficial.
Wild Mollies are common in brackish water habitats, and when kept without salt
in the water it is common (if not universal) that Mollies become more sensitive
to infections such as Finrot and fungus. Salt also reduces the toxicity of
nitrate, which Mollies appear to be extremely sensitive to. Marine salt mix (as
opposed to generic aquarium or tonic salt) contains carbonate salts that raise
the hardness and prevent acidic conditions in the aquarium, and this also has a
dramatically beneficial effect on Molly health. From my experience, the vast
majority of instances where people have Molly problems, those people are keeping
them in tanks without marine salt mix. I'd recommend adding 3-6 grammes of
marine salt mix per litre of water, and then seeing how your fish do. Cheers,
Neale.>
Re: Molly Flashing 11/28/07
Hi Neale. Thanks for replying. I guess I should have listed the water
conditions in my first email. All levels are good, (PH around 7.9), our
water is naturally very hard and alkaline.
<Excellent.>
We do 20% water changes once a week.
<Ramp that up to at least 30% per week and ideally 50%. Mollies do not like
nitrate, and it seems to be one triggering factor being ill-health.>
I've heard that Mollies prefer saltier water, but we have two small Corys in
with them, so don't want the Corys irritated.
<Fundamentally Mollies and Corydoras can't be mixed. End of story. It's a shame
people sell Mollies as "community fish" because they're not.>
What has me curious is that none of the fish seem stressed or sick. They don't
rub, just bounce off their heads. The two five month old males that are in the
tank are gorgeous and lively, but they too flash off the rocks once in a while.
I'm thinking if it was a parasite or illness, these fish should show some sign
of it by now.
<I agree, but what you're describing simply isn't normal. Hence the need to try
and narrow down the possible causes. Parasites on the gills (typically Ick or
Velvet) plus improper/fluctuating pH are the classic causes of "flashing"
behaviour.>
So the water conditions sound more likely, even though the numbers are good.
<Do check the ammonia and nitrate levels, if you can. While nitrite is the thing
people usually check first, with good reason, nitrate especially is something
that you have to watch with Mollies.>
Hmm, will have to investigate that possibility more carefully. Thanks for your
help. Joyce
<Good luck, Neale.>
Att Neale: An observation
about Mollies, beh. 10/16/07
Hi Neale!
<Hello Audrey,>
I read your answer to the person who had questions about Mollies. This person
had a concern that one of his Mollies tilts slowly until it's facing up. You
expressed a concern that there might be a water quality issue.
<Not so much a concern as a statement that Sailfin mollies can supplement
ordinary breathing by gulping an air/water mixture at the surface. See here at
the Florida Museum of Natural History:
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Gallery/Descript/SailfinMolly/SailfinMolly.html. ,
under "Habitat".>
I don't doubt your knowledge (so much more extensive than mine!) but I have an
observation to contribute.
<Very good...>
I've seen the tilting upwards in a lot of new Mollies. Mine didn't do it
anywhere close to the surface, so I doubt they were trying to breathe, and they
were in an established tank. Most of my Mollies stopped doing this after a few
weeks. One never stopped. Some never displayed the behaviour. They just suddenly
stop swimming, slowly tilt upwards until they're completely nose up, then just
as suddenly start swimming normally again. It used to totally freak me out.
<Interesting.>
Mollies are constantly skimming the surface, but when they do it they're
horizontal. I've never seen one doing it nose up (except when fighting for a
piece of food, of course). If they were trying to breathe, I'd expect them to
position themselves horizontally just under the surface and skim (their mouth is
kind of pointing up already, so that's a natural position).
<Hmm... not sure. To use the surface layer of water, the Molly needs to tilt
slightly upwards, simply because the mouth is somewhat lower than the top of the
head. It's the top 1 mm of water they need, because that's where the oxygen
exchange occurs. When they're feeding, Mollies adopt a variety of orientations.
They have skulls and jaws modified for grazing algae, and when doing this orient
themselves so the jaws can scrape flat surfaces. They also eat insect larvae,
and this is where the upwards tilt of the mouth is useful, for getting mosquito
larvae at the surface.>
I'll tell you about my troubles with illnesses in another email. I think I might
*finally* have a clue about what's happening to my Mollies. And I have pretty
gross pics to show you (they will make a nice addition to the illness pages).
<Ooh, what fun!>
Enough babbling for now. Have a nice day!
<Thanks, and you too.>
Audrey
<Cheers, Neale>
Molly Behavior 8/5/07
Hello again! It was a long time I didn't ask a question.
Can you please help me in my problem about my mollies. I have 2 golden dust
molly and they are both female the problem is one of them attack the other one,
also in my 2 balloon female molly. The stronger one (I guess) is attacking the
weaker. Is this only mean I need a male for them?
Also I saw small black spots in their body, and seems they are scratching in the
gravel. Is this a disease, how can I prevent it?
Please reply soon, I'm so worried about them. Thanks
<Greetings. Mollies are notorious for bullying one another, especially when kept
in too-small an aquarium. There's not much you can do about it except increase
the size of the group. This assumes you have the space in your aquarium for
them. It's usually the males that are bullies, so what you are reporting is
unusual. Adding a couple more females would be the best thing. Adding a male
wouldn't help at all! Black spots are typically associated with infections of
external lice, flukes, and worms. The standard way to treat this would be using
an anti-fluke medication from your retailer. However, since you're keeping
mollies, an alternative approach worth considering is moving them to a brackish
water aquarium at 25-50% seawater salinity (SG 1.005-1.010). You could also
raise the salinity in the existing aquarium over a few weeks to allow the filter
to adapt. The salty water should shift any external parasites quite effectively,
especially at the higher end of the salinity range. Maintaining mollies in
brackish water will benefit them in many other ways besides, and is in my
opinion by far the most intelligent way to keep these fish. Cheers, Neale>
Balloon Belly Molly Question, beh.
7/26/07
Hello. I am rather concerned about a balloon belly molly I purchased today.
She seems to be having some kind of equilibrium problem. She swims frequently,
but rather awkwardly and seems to have to try a bit too hard to stay lower in
the tank. It almost seems like she is over inflated at times but then she'll do
an odd nose dive and I get even more confused. She has been eating and
defecating normally and shows no outer signs of parasites. I cannot tell if she
is pregnant because of her coloring. Could be some kind of parasite issue or a
swim bladder problem? Or if it is just a quirk or something explained by
pregnancy that I shouldn't worry about? I isolated her several hours after
introducing her to the tank, if that helps. Thanks!
<Ave! Unfortunately, what you describe is rather common among balloon mollies as
well as "balloon" shaped goldfish, and for the same reasons -- inbreeding to
produce these deformed body shapes has messed up what evolution achieved in
terms of swimming ability. It doesn't take much to totally throw them off
balance, and things like constipation, which moves the centre of gravity, cause
swimming ability to diminish greatly. So, let's review: Mollies are herbivores
in the wild and in the aquarium. They need greens (i.e., fibre) much more than
they need standard fish food. (Standard fish food is about as healthy for them
as feeding t-bone steaks to a sheep would be.) Double-check you're using an
algae-based livebearer flake food, for example one based on Spirulina. Also
check your offering fresh greens like sliced cucumber, blanched lettuce,
spinach, squashed tinned peas, and so on. Actual algae from a pond or as Sushi
Nori is also very helpful. Meaty foods (like brine shrimp) or regular flake food
should be used maybe 1 or 2 times per week. Secondly, mollies really do best in
brackish water. The actual salinity doesn't matter all that much, but the
combination of higher pH, higher hardness, and raised salinity seems to help
them by every relevant marker. A box of marine salt mix like Instant Ocean is
what you want (not tonic salt or aquarium salt) and the dosage needs to be
around 3.5 grammes per litre upwards (that's about 10% seawater). Other
livebearers will thrive in such conditions, as will a variety of salt-tolerant
species like glassfish, rainbowfish, and halfbeaks, so finding tankmates for
mollies isn't in the least difficult. Thirdly, mollies are sensitive to a
neurological disorder called "The Shimmies". Poor water quality seems to be the
trigger here. While there's no guaranteed cure, switching from fresh to brackish
water conditions seems to help in most cases. All else being equal, these tips
will guarantee your mollies are in peak health and should help your unbalanced
molly recover. Cheers, Neale.>
Damnation Molly Mom and Her 4 Mo. Old Babies behavior
7/7/07
Hello! In March I wrote to you about my new molly fry and I must say you
were extremely helpful. Thank you Tom for all of your insight!
<<Hello again, Bridgette. Glad I was able to help!>>
I currently have 1 female molly, her 11 4 mo. old babies, and 3 new fry in a 10
gal tank. The female ran the male to his death after she gave birth to the first
11 fry she had.
<<I recall this from our last conversation, Bridgette, though it’s often the
other way around. You mentioned she was aggressive, though.>>
I am going to buy a 29 gal tank this weekend. Will I need to run this new tank
for a month or so before I separate them?
<<The new tank will definitely have to cycle, of course. There are ways to speed
up the process, the fastest being the use/addition of BIO-Spira (a Marineland
product) which will accomplish this virtually instantly. Not exactly inexpensive
but the benefits are pretty obvious.>>
I was thinking of putting females in one and males in another.
<<A good way of heading off a population explosion! :) >>
I know this little tank is overcrowded and need to do something about it right
away!
<<Agreed.>>
Also, I've noticed for the last few days that the male 4 mo olds have been
looking like they are almost trying to attach to their mother's anal fin. Are
they trying to mate with her?
<<A pretty good bet that there’s interest in this regard.>>
Thanks again, as so many people here say, this site is wonderful!
<<Very nice to hear from you again, Bridgette, and thanks again for the
complimentary words. Keep up the good work and continued good luck. Tom>>
My golden molly is turning black...
6/12/07
Dear crew:
<Hello.>
I first off want to apologize for my lack of knowledge of fish completely.
<Hmm... not a good start. When caring for any animal, it is always wise to
read first, then buy the animal, not the other way around.>
That taken care of, I bought a gold molly to keep my albino... side sucker
fish company so he'd have a friend.
<What's a "side sucker fish"? I'm guessing either a Plec (an armour-plated
catfish) or a sucking loach Gyrinocheilus aymonieri (a minnow-like fish with
a sucker mouth). Either way, appallingly bad choices for neophyte
fishkeepers. Plecs grow to around 30-60 cm depending on the species very
rapidly and eventually need massive tanks. Sucking loaches also get big
(around 25-30 cm) but top that off by being among the nastiest-tempered fish
out there. Either way, you will need a tank containing at 200 litres within
even the medium term (6-12 months). If you don't have that, return them. One
other thing: mollies are extremely delicate when kept in freshwater tanks,
and the only sure-fire way to keep them healthy is to keep them in brackish
water. Brackish water is unacceptable to both the catfish and the sucking
loach. Now, if you feel the need to keep mollies in freshwater despite the
fact some or all of them will get sick, you need to ensure the following:
Nitrates less than 20 mg/l; pH 7.5-8.2; hardness 20 degrees GH or more.
Skipping on any of these is the express route to mollies getting fungus,
finrot, and the "shimmies" (a type of nerve damage disease). Don't believe
me? Stop by any fish forum you like and review the questions in the
Livebearers section. The number of messages about sick mollies will stagger
you. I feel I say this every week, but mollies just aren't good fish for
beginners and they categorically aren't community fish by the generally
accepted meaning of the word. Have a read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollies.htm and some of the FAQs as
well.>
I've had these fish for about 3 months and all of a sudden my gold molly is
turning black, starting with the tail.
<Almost certainly just genetics. Assuming the fish is otherwise healthy and
the skin isn't rotting or something. Mass-produced mollies are not "quality
controlled" so you have no guarantee they are "pure bred" in any way. So,
it's basically a case of enjoy your newly metamorphosed fish!>
I've tried doing some research and I can't figure out if this is just a gold
molly turning into a Dalmatian molly (do they do this?)
<With quality stock, no.>
or if it has some sort of problem... in which case I'd like to help.
<No, nothing you can do.>
Thanks!
Jen
<Good luck. Mollies are among my favourite aquarium fish, but they are
demanding and they do need special care. It's a shame they're so widely
sold, because people assume they're easy fish. But kept well, few fish
combine personality, colour, and easy breeding so well. Worth sticking with,
and learning about. Cheers, Neale>
Mollies' eating my plastic plants –
06/11/07
Hi,
<Hello.>
A couple of questions for you?
<OK?>
I live in the UK in Devon. I have just started keeping fish, well 12 days
ago. I got my first fish a black Mollie and a silver Mollie three days ago.
They are doing ok. I have a 35 litre tank, with plastic plants.
<Your tank is probably a bit small for mollies. Bear in mind some species
can get to 15 cm in length, if not more, and most of the common varieties in
the trade will certainly be in the 5-8 cm bracket when fully grown.>
I have noticed bite marks in the plants. Are they just testing or should I
get them some real plants.
<I couldn't imagine mollies actually damaged plastic plants, so that's a
first to me. Anyway, they are doing their level best to demonstrate their
need for green foods. Use vegetarian "livebearer" flake (NOT generically
tropical fish flake except as a treat) plus green foods like Sushi Nori,
blanched lettuce, algae wafers, sliced cucumber, tinned peas, etc. Mollies
are herbivores in the wild, so try and match that in captivity.>
If I do what plants would you recommend considering I plan to add a small
salt content.
<Almost all hard water tolerant plants thrive at the low specific gravity
(SG 1.002-1.003) mollies relish. Java fern, Java moss, and Anubias are
perhaps the best plants because they come attached to bogwood so are easy to
"install" without fussing over substrate. They are also ignored by most
herbivorous fishes. Failing these, Vallisneria, Hygrophila, Elodea,
Ceratophyllum, Cryptocoryne wendtii all work well in low-end brackish
tanks.>
(Not changing over fully just adding the 1tsp per 5ltrs that everyone
recommends.
<Don't trust anyone who recommends "spoons per litre" amounts, because it's
a meaningless measurement. Once the box of salt is opened, it absorbs water,
so over time, each teaspoon contains less and less salt. Ideally, use a
hydrometer to measure the specific gravity. A basic floating glass
hydrometer will cost about £5. You want about SG 1.002-1.003, or 5-6 grammes
of salt per litre. Make up the brackish water as per the instructions on the
box, and then measure the specific gravity (SG). Add more water or salt as
required.>
Also I have read many articles especially on your site regarding adding a
little salt. I plan to do this on the next water change. I have added the
salt to the new water and plan to add the water slowly as I refill the tank
from the water change. Is this a good idea?
<Adding salt to the water before adding it to the aquarium is exactly
correct. Don't forget that any time you top up the tank due to losses from
evaporation, *that* water should be freshwater without salt. The salty water
is only for water changes.>
Thanks
Doug
<Cheers, Neale>
Black molly question... beh./sys. 4/10/07
Hello WWM,
<Didi>
I just found your website, it looks like an awesome collection! I looked through
molly questions but couldn't find anything that answers my particular question,
so here it is.
<Okay>
I have a black male molly and a red female swordtail in a small new 3 gallon
tank.
<Hard to keep such small volumes stable... do be diligent re maintenance...
weekly water changes (maybe a gallon) and careful re feeding>
I bought them a month ago and so far they've been getting along fine, mating and
all. The female got pregnant and today started giving birth, and since she has
been doing that, the male has been viciously attacking her! I've had mollies and
swordtail fish before, for years, and know what they look like when they're
horny or mating... and that was not it. The male would charge at the female in
short, fast bursts and bite her.
<Likely simple territoriality at play here... not enough room...>
She'd dart away and slam into rocks, walls, etc. It looked pretty bad, so I
isolated her in a smaller tank
<! Needs more room, not less...>
to have her babies in peace. Since I did that, the male has been acting normal.
She hates the small tank though (about half the size of the other one, so not
too small), and is flinging herself at the walls, so I may try to put her back
again tomorrow.
I've never had males attack females like that before, in labor or not...
What's going on? I don't want to stress her out and am afraid to bring her back
now :( Please help!
Thanks,
Didi
<These fish need at least ten gallons... Bob Fenner>
Mollies beh. – 03/17/07
Hello,
<<Hi, Bridgette. Tom with you.>>
We bought a male and female molly three months ago. Recently the female has been
chasing and nipping at the male. Today she had 12 babies and is REALLY chasing
him around. What should we do?
<<Isolate the fry, if possible, and try to keep the adults separated. Mollies
aren’t “protective” parents like Cichlids are even though it may seem like the
female is guarding the babies and she’s also stressed from the birthing process.
She needs some recuperation time away from the male. (Sounds to me like she may
be more “dominant” than the male anyway and isn’t about to put up with any of
his unwanted advances right now.) You might try purchasing a divider for your
tank at your local LFS to keep the two apart for a few days. If the fry can’t be
isolated, you can try purchasing floating plastic plants for them to hide in or,
you can let Nature take its course. For what it’s worth, you can start looking
for more fry in about a month or so. Females can store the male’s sperm for
months and will continue to become pregnant even without mating during this
time. Good luck. Tom>>
Balloon Molly beh. 3/10/07
<<Hi, Lauren. Tom here.>>
I have a balloon molly who has recently been exhibiting some strange
behavior. Every once in a while she turns vertically, with her head pointing
straight up. It appears as if it is done intentionally because it is an
extremely fluid movement in which turns horizontally, hangs out for a second or
two and then returns to her typical horizontal swimming position with ease. I
have never seen her, nor any of my other balloon mollies exhibit this action. I
know that balloon mollies are odd little fish, but this seems a little too odd.
Any suggestions as to what could be causing this behavior?
<<Lauren, I’ve got an Angelfish that does this when it “thinks” it’s feeding
time. If I catch the behavior in its entirety, my blood pressure remains normal.
When I spot the fish “floating” in this position, my blood pressure jumps about
20 points. A little tough on me and amusing to the fish, I’m betting. Fish, like
other animals, tend to be extreme ‘creatures of habit’. They don’t “think” in
human terms but can “associate” a behavior with a positive result, typically
getting fed. I’d wager that your Molly is going through this routine because it
associates it with finding food coming its way. Since it doesn’t display other
signs of a swimming impairment, I wouldn’t concern yourself. Just look at it as
an “eccentricity”.>>
Thank you,
Lauren
<<Glad to help, Lauren. Tom>>
My Molly Changed Colors 2/14/07
Hello -
I have 3 Dalmatian mollies I purchased about 2 months ago. One was a bit
darker than the others but has since turned completely black.
<Happens>
One of the others is also getting darker, but still has some white
spots. The third doesn't appear to have changed color at all. Is this
normal?
<Not atypical>
I have a few other fish in the tank as well, although the darker molly is
surely the dominate
<dominant>
one in the tank, but everyone otherwise appears happy and healthy. I feed
them a varied diet and always add a bit of salt to the water, so I'm
inclined to think there are no health issues, but I've never heard of such a
thing before. Is this a common trait with the Dalmatians or an indication
of a bigger problem?
Thanks in advance for your insight!
<Likely not a worry. Bob Fenner>
My Mollies
2/12/07
Hello,
<<Hello, Ashley. Tom here.>>
I recently bought some mollies, like yesterday.
<<We’ll count yesterday as “recent”. :) >>
I bought two Dalmatian mollies (1 male and 1 female) and 1 female Creamsicle
molly. I have them in a 10 gallon tank with an angelfish a bit bigger than a
loonie (Canadian $1 coin) plus fins and an itsy bitsy catfish which I can't
remember what the exact breed is ( I think it started with an "o").
<<The “itsy bitsy” catfish is an Otocinclus. The Angelfish will outgrow your
ten-gallon tank just as a “heads up”.>>
From what I've read on the site the male is supposed to be chasing the
females around. That seems to be the opposite in my tank. The Dalmatian
female is chasing the male around. Is she trying to get him to mate with
her?
<<Nope. She’s just more “dominant” than he is. Not “typical” but hardly
uncommon.>>
I've looked on both of the females and neither seem to be pregnant at the
moment because I don't see a dark spot or anything but I also may have
missed it. I'm not the most experienced.
<<None of us were at the start…>>
I also have another question about my Creamsicle one. It seems to be much
more active than the other two, not that the others aren't active, the
orange one’s just more active, constantly swimming laps around the tank. I
read about the whirling disease on your site, could this be an indication of
this?
<<Unlikely. Could be a sign of stress, though. Keep in mind that Mollies
prefer some salt in their water. I would typify them as a “brackish” water
species meaning that they (generally) fall between true freshwater and
saltwater. You’ll find folks keeping them across the spectrum regarding salt
however, from freshwater to full marine conditions. The sticky part is that
your Oto won’t tolerate salt well. What to do? Scaleless fish like your Oto
can tolerate minimal amounts of salt. Never more than a ratio of one
tablespoon per five gallons of water. On your next water change, pull out
about two gallons of water and add about three-fourths of a tablespoon of
aquarium salt to the new, conditioned water. This ratio won’t adversely
affect the Oto but might calm your Molly down a bit.>>
She still moves around all over the tank but she also tends to backtrack
often. So anyway, while the Dalmatians are playing tag the angel just sits
around like usual, the cat fish sits in his corner and the Creamsicle swims
laps. Can you tell me if they're exhibiting normal behaviour?
<<Neither the Oto nor the Angelfish are particularly active individuals so
I’d say their behavior is normal. The Dalmatian Mollies? Once again, their
behavior isn’t uncommon. As far as your “Creamsicle” Molly is concerned,
let’s see if the salt does the trick for her.>>
Also can anyone tell me how to determine the sex of an angelfish? I've had
mine for four months now and have coerced her into being female calling her
Morgaine, but I'm still curious if I got it right.
<<Nearly impossible, Ashley, even for folks that are hardcore breeders. The
common practice is to select a half-dozen Angelfish and see which ones pair
up. From there, the one that lays the eggs is the “girl” fish. Just about
the only way to tell.>>
Thanks a bunch!
Ashley
<<You’re welcome, Ashley. Best regards. Tom>>
Mollies Shaking - 01/27/2007
Hi
<Hello. Sabrina with you today.>
We have a 40 Lt tank, with guppies and mollies. Most of the fish were born in
our tank. Two of the black marble mollies (I think females but they are still a
bit small to be sure) have this weird behaviour, they swim to the bottom section
of the tank, in the corner and face down they shake their bodies - this can last
for about two to three minutes a time and they do it approximately every 5 -- 10
minutes. They appear otherwise healthy, as do the other fish in the tank.
What could be the reason for this behaviour?
<In my experience, this "shimmy" has usually been indicative of a "skin slime"
parasite - Costia, Childonella, Icthyobodo.... Other symptoms, though harder to
see, would include occasional clamping of the fins and a slight "film" or
"cloud" to the skin and fins. I have also been of the understanding that this
"shimmying" can be due to a lack of electrolytes or salts in the water. If
guppies and mollies are all you have, I'd try adding one to two tablespoons of
aquarium salt per five gallons of water (12 to 24 grams per 19 liters). This
amount of salt will not be harmful to either guppies or mollies and will
actually be quite beneficial to both. This *may* also help if it is in fact a
"skin slime" parasite, but if the symptoms persist after some days, or if the
symptoms worsen and the fish get notably "sick", you might consider treating
with an anti-protozoan medication. Of course, this part goes without saying,
but I'd better say it anyway: Be sure to keep ammonia and nitrite at ZERO and
nitrate below 20ppm with regular water changes.>
Thanks for the great information you supply on your site.
<I'm glad you've found it useful, thanks!>
Steph
<All the best to you, -Sabrina>
Molly at bottom of tank 1/23/07
Hi Guys
<LJ>
I have a question about my male Dalmatian molly. First, we goofed up
and overcrowded a 5 gallon tank with 2 Dalmatian mollies (1m, 1f) two black
big bellied mollies (1m, 1f), and one white big bellied molly. We also have a
Pleco,
<Need much more room to keep one of these>
a catfish, and 4 big snails. We tried having an African Dwarf Frog, but
the ammonia levels killed off 1 then because we didn't know what killed it, also
the replacement frog.
While still in the 5 gallon tank, the male Dalmatian molly started swimming at a
60 degree angle, head up. Sometimes it would go completely vertical. He then
started just hanging out at the bottom of the tank. Almost lying in the gravel.
We were unable to keep the ammonia, nitrate and nitrite levels within healthy
bounds, so we got a 20 gallon aquarium and moved them all in there.
<Much better>
He's still lying in the gravel.
<Takes time... might be damaged>
Sometimes he seems to get a burst of energy and swims around a for a while. He
doesn't seem to have a lot of control, and tends to be a little "head up". The
ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite levels in the new tank are okay. But, I don't
know if there is anything we can add to help the poor guy, or if he's just
gonna die. Any suggestions?
<Patience, time, observation, hope. Bob Fenner>
Thanks
---Linda
Molly behavior - why do they act the way they do? 1/14/07
Good morning WWM crew!
<Good afternoon now...how are you?>
Yesterday I entered into the world of "Molly Hobby". I acquired 5 Mollies and
one sucker fish (Jock).
<The latter, is it some sort of Pleco? If so, be aware that the common variety
of these can grow to over a foot in length...do be prepared to provide a large
tank for him/her...>
The mollies are as follow:
"OJ" (orange M)
"Goliath" (White/Silver M)
"Flo" (Dalmatian F)
"Perdita" (Dalmatian F)
"Baby Pearl" (White/Silver F)
<Sound nice. If you have space, you may want to add a few more females; I've
found a 1:3 or 1:4 male: female ratio to be best, to prevent over-harassment of
the females by the males...>
I am fascinated by these fish's behavior! I can sit in front of the tank for
hours just watching them.
<They are quite interactive, aren't they? I enjoy watching mine as well...and
since they are always looking for food, they seem to "watch" you back, don't
they?>
During my observation, I noticed something. The
two Dalmatian girls look to maybe be pregnant...they are a lot 'rounder' than
the White/Silver. I research to find out how to tell and of course they should
have that black spot...can't really tell w/ the Dali girls.
<Yes, can be hard to tell with the Dalmatian coloration. Generally, when you
have both male and female livebearers in a community tank, the girls will likely
be pregnant...that's what these fish do!>
The white one should be obvious and there are no darker areas on her.
<She may be "early-stage" pregnancy. All you can do is wait and see; molly
gestation period is about 4-6 weeks. Again, my bet is on all the girls in your
tank are indeed preggers...they virtually always are!>
Once all the fish became 'comfortable' in the tank they started moving around.
It seemed the two Dali girls were trying to get the attention of the two males
but they didn't want anything to do with them.
<Interesting - it's usually the opposite!>
Instead, both the boys were after the white F.
I saw both the males mate several times and can't seem to get enough. The two
boys even pick at each other. All this is
happening with the Dali girls being left out. So, what is so special about "Baby
Pearl"?? Sometimes she likes the attention and other times she seems annoyed; in
addition, the two dalis seem to 'protect' her sometimes and they seem to be
jealous other times.
<I can't tell for sure what the fish are "thinking", but again, if you have
room, increasing the amount of females in the tank should help re-direct some of
the males' attention. Perhaps the two "left out" girls are already pregnant,
and the little female is not, so the boys are trying to change that? Or,
something in Baby Pearl's temperament attracts the boys...can't tell you for
sure. Just make sure to provide lots of cover in the form of plants,
decorations, etc., so that any one molly can "retreat", if need be.>
My sister, an advanced hobbyist, really couldn't come up w/ anything except the
two dalis are already pregnant and "Baby Pearl" is a virgin so to speak!!!
<That's what I'm thinking...but it truly is just an educated guess.>
Please help me understand my mollies behavior!
<I'm not sure anyone really "understands" fish behavior completely; it's likely
natural selection, Darwinism at work...>
Thanks,
Stephanie
<Stephanie, the only thing I can suggest is altering the male: female molly
ratio a bit, to spread out the aggression of the males a bit. Again, this is
assuming the tank is large enough and not already fully stocked...
Enjoy your mollies - they are fun little fish!
Best regards, Jorie>
Molly Gender Changing 12/6/06
Hellow WWM crew!
I used to have a few mollies, and I have a very strange question about one of
them.
We went to a pet store, and I'm pretty sure we bought a girl Molly. (The guys
have this little stick fin thingy, and the girls just have regular fins.)
<Ah, yes>
Well, we got home, and she was so fat, she almost looked pregnant. Well, about a
week later, I noticed some spots on her. I didn't think it was such a big deal.
So the next day or so, we went on vacation to Florida. By this time, the fish
was half covered with spots. So when we came back 2 weeks later, the fish had
changed into a boy! Or at least I think it was a boy!
<Mmm, yes... happens>
She had spots everywhere, and she was a BOY! I even caught her trying to mate
with other girls, and if I'm right, got one of them pregnant. Is it common or at
all possible for a fish to just change genders like that, or do you think maybe
he was a boy the whole time?
<Could be either... not uncommon.>
I'd love to know! (The fish is dead now...been dead for 2 years...just thought I
might add that on.)
Any help is appreciated! Thanks WWM crew!
-Leira
<Want to be further astounded? Look up "Amazon Mollies"... Bob Fenner> Molly Mayhem 11/21/06
Hello,
<Hi>
I stumbled on your site, looking for an answer to my question, and could not
find it, so, so I am asking...
<Ok>
I bought two Dalmatian Mollies about a month ago, and added them to a 55 gal
tank with Neons, two Powder Blue Gourami's, one Silver Shark, and two Dinosaur
Eels.... ok, now before you tell me, yes, I know the Eels should not have been
in there, and we found this out by losing a few fish, they have since been
separated into another tank of their own....
<Several of the remaining fish come from very different environments and require
different water conditions, check out WetWeb for specifics.>
Anyway... before our Eels got really "hungry" all of a sudden, our female
Dalmatian looked as if she were getting quite plump, so we thought we were going
to have fry soon... then our eels did their thing, and we lost our male
Dalmatian, a few Neons, and two blood gourami's, and a powder blue Gourami...
after this happened, and we removed the eels immediately, our one powder blue,
and our female Dalmatian started acting like they were really confused, they
would swim all over the tank, very rapidly, as if they were
"looking for something" during this time our female Dalmatian seemed to "lose"
her plumpness, and we just wrote it off that she was not pregnant, because she
never got big enough to "drop"... <Not uncommon, she probably either gave birth
prematurely or aborted the pregnancy altogether.> So we went and bought another
powder blue Gourami, and another male Dalmatian, and added them to the
tank. Both "stressed" fish calmed right down, and "buddied" up to their new
friend... and we seem to have happy fish again, (and our silver shark is now
growing, which he wasn't doing before)... but the main question I have is
this... now it seems that our female is getting quite plump again, and the male
and female, who were getting along great, now are exhibiting behavior I do not
understand. I read that when a female molly is pregnant, she will irritate
others in the tank <Depends on the individual>, but this is not the case, it is
quite the opposite, the male molly follows her constantly, seeming to "smell"
her rear side <Trying to mate.>, and she is constantly trying to swim from him.
He does this all the time, seeming to give her no peace at all... what is the
deal with that? <Need to have more females than males to give the ladies a
break from the very determined suitors.>
She is not bothered by any of the other fish, they all seem to get along very
well, we still have the two powder blues, 3 Neons, the two Dalmatians, and the
shark, along with a plecostomus. I was trying to look for the black spot they
speak of, and the problem is that she is so dark black, with Dalmatian spots,
that we can't tell... any help?
Thank you,
Kathy
<You can assume she is pregnant, they almost always are if they are in contact
with a male within the last 6 months. The harassment is normal, and can be
lessened by adding more females if the tank size allows. You need to review the
requirement of your various fish for incompatibilities and the long term
problems that will develop from them.>
<Chris>
Male Molly behavior - 10/17/06
Hi
<<Hi, Jessica. Tom>>
I love your site; all your information is great. Use your advice daily for my
aquarium.
<<Thanks, Jessica. Nice to hear we’ve been of help to you.>>
Searched for this answer, but no luck.
<<That’s why Bob has this feature on the site…>>
My male gold dust molly has started to go crazy with the submersible heater.
His entire body wiggles rapidly back and forth and his mouth brushes the side of
the heater...? Almost looks like he's kissing the heater. He does this for a
while; doesn't seem to mind other fish by the heater. Any thoughts as to what
this could be? Is he ok?
<<Well, Jessica, he’s…”different”, I’ll give him that. If he were trying to make
out with a mermaid decoration, I could understand but this is a bit unusual.
Actually, I think he’s sensitive. Very sensitive, in fact. Heaters in our
aquariums operate like toasters. The wiring has a high resistance to the flow of
the electricity which causes it to become warm, or hot, as the case may be. So
far, so good. The flow of electricity also creates a magnetic field around the
wiring which is how an electro-magnet works. Wrap wire around a common iron bar,
turn on the “juice” and the bar becomes a magnet. (For those taking notes, this
is the principle for solenoids which operate water valves, electric latches on
locks, etc.) “Where is this taking us?”, you ask. Fish have what is called a
“lateral line” along both sides of their bodies which aids them in, basically,
sensing what is going on around them. What they might not see or smell, they may
be able to “feel” through these linear sensors. My guess, and it’s only that…a
guess, is that your Molly is picking up on the minute magnetic field created
around the heater and, he likes it or, at least, he’s curious about it. I don’t
think he’s got a real good idea about what it is but the “wiggling” tells me
he’s picking up on something and “mouthing” it makes me wonder if he thinks it
might be something edible. Frankly, I’d be interested in knowing if replacing
the heater changes his behavior.>>
Thank you
Jessica
<<Interesting question, Jessica. Thanks for writing. Tom>>
Male Molly Behavior - 10/18/06
Tom,
<<Hi, again, Jessica.>>
Thank you for the fast and informative reply. It's much appreciated.
<<Happy to have helped.>>
I just bought another small heater for my 30 gal. tank just in case our
Minnesota winters are too much for the other heater.
Anyway, after reading your response, I unplugged the original heater and Mr.
Gold Dust Molly stopped his wiggling and kind of went, "huh?" Then immediately
swam away to the new heater.
<<There's Mollies for you. Absolutely shameless...>>
After checking out the new heater, he returned to the original.
<<Guess the grass wasn't greener, after all, eh?>>
All I need is some goofy fish attached emotionally to a heater...haha. I decided
to not break his heart and plugged the original heater back in.
We're back to happy wiggling. Oh brother.
<<And I just finished posting to another reader that fish don't need to be
"entertained". :) All I can say is that I hope for a long and happy life for
your Molly and his heater! Thanks for writing back.>>
-Jessica
<<Tom>>
Rogue Molly beh. mod. 9/28/06
Sorry, I couldn't find the answer in a Google search or in FAQ's. I have a
standard 30 gal freshwater aquarium, running well. I've had the same mix of
freshwater fish for quite some time, tetras, Chinese algae eaters, catfish,
swordfish. I have one male molly that has become a terror in the tank, always
chasing the other fish and now they huddle at the bottom.
<Likely time for him to go...>
How do I get rid of it, short of flushing an otherwise healthy fish ( I don't
want to kill it) and the local store won't take it back? (Been too long)
Thanks,
Gina Sulmeyer
<Mmm, another tank?... But, there may be some "behavior modification" that might
be done by giving this fish a good "time out"... netting it, keeping it in
either a breeding trap or small floating plastic colander (check with the
significant other first...) for a few days... often this sort of separation
"knocks the perpetrator down a few pegs". Bob Fenner>
Vertical Mollie?
8/18/06
Hi
<Hi Alex, this is Jorie.>
I recently bought a couple of Mollies (1 male, 1 female) and set up a 10 gallon
aquarium which seemed to go really well. today I added a couple of guppies. After
1/2 hour or so I noticed that the female molly is swimming almost vertically,
nose down. The male seems to be fussing around her and nuzzling her. Is anything
wrong?
<If you haven't already, you should test the water parameters, including
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. How long has this tank been established and what
type of filtration are you using? Has the tank fully cycled? A bit more
information would be helpful.
Also, with regards to livebearers (both mollies and guppies), it is not
typically a good idea to have a 1:1 male:female ratio, as the girl will usually
get very harassed by the male. Having said that, I'm not suggesting you run out
and immediately buy more females - are the four fish you mention above the only
ones in there? *If* the tank is established (i.e., cycled), then I would
suggest perhaps adding a couple more girls, or perhaps even swapping the male
for a female, if possible. You do realize that livebearers, especially mollies,
seem to reproduce exponentially - have you figured out what you are planning on
doing with the fry?
Do take a look here for detailed information on all things pertaining to FW
aquariums:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwsetupindex.htm >
Thanks for the help,
<Hope I have helped. Jorie>
Alex
Spinning molly! 7/15/06
Hi
<<Hello, Jan. Tom>>
My son has a lovely tropical aquarium but he has a problem with one of his Lyre
tail mollies. It keeps spinning. He keeps his filters maintained and does his
gravel washes approx every 8-10 weeks, the rest of his fish have no problems at
all.
Can you tell me what might be wrong with this one particular fish, please?
<<Jan, this behavior occurs when a fish has developed an internal
infection/infestation that causes its body to "contort" to the degree that it
can no longer swim in a straight line. The most notorious example of this is
referred to as "Whirling Disease" which is caused by the sporozoan Myxobolus
(Myxosoma) cerebralis. This particular sporozoan invades and resides primarily
in the animal's spine creating a curvature that results in the "spinning"
activity you've noted. Sadly, there's no cure for this and the fish should be
isolated. I can't tell you with absolute certainty that your son's Molly has
developed Whirling Disease but I do cite this as a possibility. Finally, if by
chance, your son feeds his pets Tubifex worms, have him stop immediately. These
creatures are known to feed on bacteria and are not recommended as they have
been connected with bacterial infections in fish including Whirling Disease in
salmonids (salmon, trout, et. al.).>>
regards
Jan
<<Best of luck. Tom>>
Re: spinning molly! 7/15/06
<<Hi, Jan. Tom again.>>
Thank you for the rapid reply. I'm just pleased to know what the problem might
be. I will pass this information on to him.
<<Please recommend to your son that he keep a close eye on the rest of his pets
and keep his aquarium conditions as optimal as possible, as well. Many, if not
most, of the pathogens we commonly run across in the hobby are "opportunistic",
seeking out stressed fish. Excellent water quality is crucial to maintaining a
stress-free environment. Far easier, as you might imagine, to handle a little
extra "housekeeping" than to deal with sick livestock.>>
Many thanks
Jan
<<Happy to help any time. Tom>>
Molly problems 6/14/06
Hello,
<Hi>
I am a bit of a beginner when it comes to keeping fish. <We all were at some
point.>
The tank was have is rather a small one, but ideal as we are still
beginners. <Actually, bigger usually means easier.>
The white Molly in question was purchased about 2 and 1/2 months ago and was in
good health at first. Then about 5 weeks ago it seemed to become kind of
deformed in shape, its stomach area became really round and looked black inside.
Then it seemed to be having trouble swimming and was only using its side fins,
not its tail. We have been keeping a close eye on it, but as it always seemed to
be feeding we didn't think that whatever was wrong was that serious.
This past weekend we have been away and when we came back I looked in the tank
and the said Molly is now a 'normal' shape and swimming fine, but it looks about
half the size of the other silver Molly we have.
Could it have been an illness that it just got over itself? <Always possible
but doesn't sound likely.>
Or is it possible that it could have had babies? <Most likely scenario.> I have
looked at some of the frequently asked questions on your site and read that
Mollies are usually pregnant for about 32 days, from working my math out it
would seem the if ours had of been pregnant that would have been a lot longer
than 32 days.
Any light you could shed on this would be much appreciated.
<Well, with live bearers it is never that simple. Their method of reproduction
puts rabbits to shame. Mollies actually have the ability to store sperm for up
to six months, then become pregnant when they feel like it, which is usually
quite often. So while gestation is around 32 days or so, the actual
insemination of the female could have taken place months before.>
Do you reply to this email or post it on the website?
<Both>
Thank you.
Shelley
<Sounds like you have a typical molly, expect similar behavior in the future.>
<Chris>
Black Balloon Molly 5/14/06
Hi
<Hi - this is Jorie!>
I have a 71 litre tank with 11 Tetras, 3 male guppies, 1 Balloon Molly( lost her
mate) and two bronze Corydoras.
<According to my math, this is about 18.75 U.S. gallons...you are very well
stocked, so do be sure to do regular, substantial water changes (e.g., 50% per
week)>
My Molly is attacking the black male guppy constantly, nipping at his tail.
Why would the Molly attack only this one other fish?
<Livebearers do get territorial sometimes, and it's hard to determine exactly
how they choose their foes. Be sure there are plenty of hiding places in the
tank. Ultimately, if the behavior continues, you'll have to remove one or the
other...perhaps the molly could go into another tank somewhere?>
I did have a Platy in the tank but had to put it in my other tank as the Guppies
were attacking it.
<Again, livebearers will do this to one another.>
I don't really want to have to move the Molly
<You may not have a choice. What is the other tank's set-up like?>
Is this too many fish for my tank?
<It's definitely at max. capacity. As long as you keep up on the water changes,
provide enough cover for the fish, and everyone seems healthy, you may be
OK. How long has the setup been like this?>
Ty
<Welcome.>
Caroline
<Jorie>
Re: Black Balloon Molly - 05/16/2006
Thank you for your reply.
<You're welcome.>
The Tetras I have in the tank are small, as in Neons and Glowlight; do you still
think this is too many fish for this tank?
<As long as you keep up on your husbandry, you should be OK. I wouldn't suggest
adding any more fish however.>
I do a water change at least once a week and sometimes two.
<That's great - this is truly the best preventative maintenance/medicine!>
I have two filter systems in tank an under gravel and Fluval underwater
filter. Tank has been set up like this for 4 months and all does seem ok apart
from the Molly being a bully.
<Sounds like a good setup on the whole.>
I have noticed today that she is at times chasing all the other fish so guess
I may have to move her.
<Sometimes this is the only solution with an aggressive, territorial
fish. Plus, if you just have the male livebearers (e.g., guppies), you won't
have to worry about the multiplying factor, as it can quickly get overwhelming!>
I will make sure there are plenty of hiding places.
<This will help. Perhaps try adding some spots before resorting to moving
her...>
The other tank set up I have is a Biorb, which houses 6 Neons, a Platy and two
Albino Corydoras Catfish to keep the bottom clean. I also do a water change in
this once a week. I am worried about putting the Molly or Guppies into the Biorb
for fear of overcrowding.
<From what I can tell, the "Biorb" you refer to is 30 litre, or approx. 7 U.S.
gal. It doesn't appear from the picture I just looked at that there is
filtration in there, so I agree - probably not a good idea to add anyone
else. Do keep up on the water changes.>
Thank you for your advice.
<You are welcome. Try adding some decorations and fake (or real, if you are so
inclined...lots of fun gardening underwater!!> plants for cover to see if this
alleviates the bullying problem. You could also try re-arranging any existing
decor you have - any "territories" that the current residents have staked out
will then have to be re-arranged. This can sometimes help in situations of
bullying fish. Best to you and your fishies! Jorie>
Caroline
Molly and Platy Behaviour - 05/06/2006
Hi there,
<Hi - you've got Jorie here tonight>
I don't know what to do with my fighting mollies & platies.
I have a 10g tank. I had 1 male platy, 1 unknown platy (no female or male fin),
and 1 female black molly. I wanted to breed the fish, so I bought a black
lyretail molly back in
February. The 2 mollies have been getting along all right...although he chases
her incessantly.
<Livebearers, esp. mollies, are notorious for this. Generally, you should keep
a 1:4 or so ratio of males to females, or the males will likely bully the
females to death...>
About a month ago, I bought another male platy (thought it was female, but just
not developed yet). The new male platy is somewhat aggressive and will not let
the other male near the "unknown" platy. There was a lot of fighting
starting and fin nipping, with my original male platy starting to hide out, so I
moved all 3 platies to my 35g tank. I thought having more room and being in a
different setting might change things a little (take out some of the
aggressiveness in my new platy). Didn't work. So, then I moved my original
male platy back to my 10g.
<You said "you moved three platies". Bottom line is you have too much
testosterone in that tank! With a 10 gal. you really should only have 1 male
livebearer in there, with perhaps 4 girls. What all do you have in the 35 gal.?
Perhaps the male molly can be moved there?>
Now, in my 10g are the 2 mollies and 1 platy. Yesterday, I noticed that the
mollies were starting to fight with each other. I thought this might be some
kind of mating behaviour, but after today I'm not sure. The male molly is
constantly following the female around with his mouth sniffing?? nipping?? at
her belly.
<That's what the boys do to the girls...all day long. This is why you can't
have a 1:1 ratio>
But yesterday, it's like she had enough. They curve their bodies
and swim in circles nipping at each other. A few times, I saw (seen?) the
female grab hold of one of the male's fins and not let go...dragging him and
jerking on him.
Before the 2 fish decide to kill each other, I moved the male molly to my 35g
today.
<Perhaps you can just have a few females in the 10, and put the males into the
35...>
So, now I have a female (bullyish) molly and a skittish male platy in my 10g
tank,
<I'd watch this combination closely>
and the male molly, male platy and unknown platy in my 35g.
<Sounds good.>
Any ideas on what kind of behaviour is going on here?
<Yes - horny male livebearers! This is what they do...>
Why would this aggression start now...after being together for 3 months?
<Perhaps they weren't sexually mature until recently.>
I'm not sure where to move what fish and how to possible get any of my fish
breeding without overstocking my 10g.
<Your livebearers will breed wherever, whenever, so don't worry about that! But,
whether or not the fry will survive depends on what else is in the tank. I
don't know what all you keep in the 35 gal., but perhaps let the fish you want
to reproduce be in there, and make sure there's plenty of hiding spots for the
fry, incl. floating plants if possible. Also, you could catch the fry as soon
as you see them born and let them grow in the 10...I did this for a while
playing the game of "musical livebearer tanks...Bottom line, you cannot have
more than 1 male livebearer, molly or platy, in your 10, and you need to have a
few girls in there so that the sexual aggression is fairly spread around. Even
Also, make sure there's ample hiding spots. Alternatively, and probably the
better idea (as mentioned above) consider just keeping females in the 10...trust
me, if you have a few girls in there, it won't be long until you see fry, as the
females can hold sperm up to 6 months!>
Help please!!
Donna
<Hope I have! Best of luck, Jorie.>
Molly and Platy Behaviour - 05/07/2006
Thanks for the super quick response!
<You're welcome - we try our best!>
What do you mean by watching the male platy and female molly??
<I just meant to make sure the "bully" female doesn't go after the
"skittish male"...just to keep an eye on everyone, which you already seem to
do!>
Until I can get some female platies to add to my 35g, I don't want to move this
platy because the other male platy is nipping
at him.
<You should be fine - I was only concerned because of how you described the two
fish you currently have in the 10 gal. respectively as a "bully" and
"skittish". As long as there is no aggression, everyone should be fine as is
for the time being.>
In my 35g, I have 2 penguin tetras, 1 white tetra, 1 pleco, 1 snail, 10 neon
tetras, and 10 harlequin rasboras, a lot of artificial plants, and a few rocks.
<Sounds good - pretty small fish with lots of swimming room I am sure they
appreciate!>
I plan on eventually changing the substrate in this tank to fluorite, removing
everything artificial and adding live plants, more rocks/caves, and a couple
"centerpiece" fish as recommended by someone else on your site the other
day. They suggested either German Rams, Kribensis, and/or Cherry Barbs.
Although, I'm not so sure about some of these with the mix I have.
<The barbs could potentially be problematic, but the rams are peaceful, not to
mention bright and colorful. Just be sure you have provided lots of hiding
places and plant cover for them, if you go this route. The Kribensis a/k/a
purple cichlid a/k/a pink cichlid is also relatively peaceful, so that should be
OK as an alternative "centerpiece" fish.>
I had originally wanted to go with 2 clown loaches, but was told they would be
too big for this tank.
<OK - I think I was confused and thought the clown loaches were already in the
tank. Yes, I agree on them truly being too big for a 35 gal. - they can grow
over 12" long...>
Donna
<Hope I've clarified things a bit. Best regards, Jorie>
White molly circling - 4/3/2006
<Tom>
We have 11 mollies in a 20 gallon tank. We were advised by the pet store to
have 10 maximum, but one of the 11 is medium small (younger).
We also at this point have a rectangular netted cage hanging in from the top
with about 40 babies in it that recently were born.... Today one of
the mature white mollies began circling over and over. In one little spot
she just goes round and round. She now has positioned herself near
the air bubbler and is still making these small circles. We believe all the
adult fish are females. Is this fish feeling crowded out all of a
sudden and is getting territorial or what? Thanks... (a few of this fish are
a rather large size...maybe 2 or 2.5 inches.)
<To be honest, I don't know that there is one "best" answer to your
question. Mollies can have multiple, viable pregnancies from a single
mating. If she's
pregnant or, "thinks" she's pregnant, her behavior wouldn't be unusual, most
particularly if she were close to giving birth. Her "circling" doesn't
suggest,
to me, the type of swimming behavior that we normally associate with a
"stressed" fish. If she's feeling territorial, it seems to be with some
other
purpose since I don't infer from your post that she's "defending" her area
of the tank. Tom>
Weird molly behaviour - 03/27/06
Hello! <Hello! Tom here> I have written to you guys before and found you to
be very helpful. <Glad to hear we've been of help> Currently, I have just given
away approx. 6 fish from my tank, leaving a mother molly (I gave away the babies
when they got bigger, plus the dad) and a Betta and a Chinese algae eater. <Wish
you would have given away a "seventh", the CAE> My mom molly (Gold Dust) has
been swimming very weird in the last day. She has been hiding in the rocks and
helmet in my tank and when she does come out to eat or swim she sort of flips
over or swims very oddly from side to side, like she is rocking. I can't really
describe it, but I hope that description has helped. <I have deep suspicions...>
Is this because she is lonely or stressed or sick, etc?? Thanks!
- Heather
(P.S. I plan on getting a couple of more non-molly fish. Any suggestions? I
have a 10-gallon. Thanks) <The only suggestion I would make right now is to get
rid of the Chinese Algae Eater immediately, if not sooner. These fish grow
large, become aggressive/mean as adults and are known well to feed on the skin
of other fish. Not a pleasant creature and I wish they weren't sold as pets. I
wouldn't discount this fish's possible aggression toward the Molly as an
explanation for her "weird" behavior, especially the hiding and/or any possible
physical damage done to her. That said, you're going to have to do some
"homework" here on potential tankmates. Mollies tend to prefer some salt in
their water. Bettas don't. Your options would be greater were you to move the
Betta to his own tank, preferably one with a heater. This would give you some
"latitude" in your choices for your Molly's tank. When you've done your
research, go with what appeals to you. (Personally, I don't want someone else
"decorating" my house. ;-) Tom>
Strange Molly Behavior and a new tank 3/10/06
Hi again!
Thanks for reading another e-mail.
Ok just wanted to say I recently got a new ten gallon tank that I am extremely
proud of.
It contains one live plant an Anubias and four bulbs of Aponogetons.
<Really neat plants>
1. Cory
2. Ghost Shrimp
3. Mollies
3. Platies
1. Sucker fish
2. Goldfish
<Mmm... too "different" to go here. Best not to mix with tropicals...>
3.Guppies
I love them all too death and I am happy to say nothing in that tank has died
yet! Ok my questions I think will be easy, and I hope you can answer them or if
they have been answered I hope you can tell me the specific page to look cause I
probably missed it.
I have as said last time two female mollies one that is absolutely gorgeous
yellow with darker yellow spots and one that is larger a molted female, I
recently acquired though a male a Dalmatian lyre tail a pretty little thing.
Ok The bigger female molly started chasing my smaller female as soon as I
got them and had them in a one gallon tank. I thought it was just a space
issue and it would stop once they were moved to their new quarters. The
yellow female was still being chased and then to my horror I saw that her
dorsal fin was missing like the top half the tiny bones sticking out! I am
positive that it was the other female. Today I noticed two roundish pink
spots like she was missing scales or had been bitten. So I moved her to the
one gallon I put the two gold fish with her as well so that she is not
alone. Was this a good idea?
<The moving of the molly yes, but not with the goldfish>
I think it might stop the stress of being out of the community tank. Still
though she swims in place in the top of the
tank in one of the corners. She has her fins tucked and her lovely color has
significantly faded to a soft pale yellow. I don't know what is wrong
<Physical trauma, stress>
and I don't know what to do or try to stop this. Should I move her back to the
community tank or should I leave her be?
<Needs to be either separated or if with these other mollies, in a much larger
system (at least 29 gallons)>
She swims around every so often and she eats as she normally does so what do I
do?
Thanks for the help
-Maria
<Please read re Molly Disease on WWM. Bob Fenner>
Male Molly Behaviour 2/28/2006
I recently (2 weeks ago) bought two Dalmatian mollies and today I discovered one
baby. After doing some research, I figure that I have a male and female. The
male within the last two days has been swimming around with the female and keeps
raising his top fin and fanning it out. I am just curious if this is mating
thing or if it is normal behaviour?
<<Is a way of showing off and establishing dominance.>>
Amy
<<Lisa>>
Molly mating behavior - 2/21/2006
Hi there.
<Hello>
Can you please describe for me the mating behaviors of mollies? I suspect mine
are mating and was hoping you could verify.
Thanks a bunch.
Laura
<Mmm, a bit of a dance with male/s pursuing females from behind, the side, and
flicking their intromittent organs (modified anal fins called gonopodia) toward
the vent areas of the female/s. Bob Fenner>
Black Molly Play's Dead 2/9/06
Hello, I just wrote in a short time ago, my apologies for not putting this
concern in the first e-mail. I have checked all over and this I have
actually found no information on.
I again have 5 fish, a black molly, and algae eater, a neon tetra, and the
two guppies. I keep all the ph levels around normal and the temp around 78.
The Black molly will from time to time sit on a leaf or pin himself between
the grass and the filter and not move. He will not flip his front fins or
anything, he just looks dead until I tap the glass and he swims away. Do
you know why? Is this ok?
Thank you again.
Eric M. Becker
<Likely nothing wrong here... mollies do "just rest" every now and then, as long
as it "gets up" and has erect fins... I would not worry. Bob Fenner>
Google... mollies, chasing, hurting 2/6/06
Dear WWM,
I have recently bought 3 silver lyretail mollies(2 females -1 male), but
one of the females are chasing around the male and I don't know if it is
either hurting it, or doing something else?
Thank You,
<... Google... mollies, chasing, hurting:
http://www.google.com/custom?q=mollies%2C+chasing%2C+hurting&sitesearch=wetwebmedia.com
Look at the cached results... Bob Fenner>
Molly trouble? Uncycled system, aggression - 2/4/2006
Hi Guys, great site! I found your website while Googling on aggressive
mollies, you see, the problem I have is this..... I just set up a 10g tank,
my first. I asked the staff at my local pet shop what would be a good fish to
start off with, and they recommended two mollies, since they are good
communal fish, but get lonely on their own.
<This system was/is cycled?>
However, I had been doing some reading on cycling an aquarium, and decided to
put only one molly in to start
the cycle, so I bought one Dalmatian Molly. After a few days, I tested the water
for ammonia and nitrate/nitrite, and everything was fine,
<Takes a few weeks...>
so I decided to add another Molly to keep the other one company. I bought a
Leopard Molly, which is slightly larger. I realize now the cycle takes a bit
longer
than 3 days, but at the time I didn't and I wanted the Dalmatian to be happy. At
first the Dalmatian Molly was happy swimming around with his new
friend, but the next day, the Dalmatian Molly was chasing around the Leopard
Molly. The poor guy cant get any peace, every time the Leopard Molly stops,
the Dalmatian Molly swims rapidly towards him. It looks like he's trying to nip
him. The attacks seem mostly to come from behind, but attacks from the
side, above and below aren't uncommon either. I'm unsure whether they are male
or female, but I'm pretty certain they are the same gender. Is this
normal behaviour for Mollies, or is the Dalmatian just a bully?
<Can be normal... but having them in small odd numbers, larger tanks generally
alleviates>
Id hate for the Leopard Molly to die of stress. I keep my tank at about 75
(although I've noticed this can fluctuate upwards to almost 80 when the light is
on),
<Too much diurnal flux...>
with a little bit of salt and plenty of hiding places.
Thanks
Russell Gold
<Likely all will be well here in a few weeks. Be careful re feeding, perhaps
catch the bully and keep it in a net up in the corner of the tank for a few
hours... this often works to reduce aggression. Bob Fenner>
Dalmatian Mollies behaving oddly 1/31/06
I have never owned Dalmatian Mollies before, and I just introduced four into
a 12 gallon aquarium. The aquarium has no other fish, but it does have
established plants and has been treated and cycled.
<Good>
The fish have only been in the aquarium a day and a half, so I expected a bit
of stressed behavior,
although they were behaving and eating normally yesterday. Today however, one
has started bouncing its sides off of a large smooth rock in the tank
and they are all swimming pretty erratically (still eating though). In
addition, I noticed when I turned on the overhead light in the tank that
they have iridescent yellow-orange spots on their sides.
<These last are "natural">
I know that mollies interbreed so at first I thought this was probably just
evidence of
having golden molly ancestors, but I recently came across a description of
velvet disease and I was wondering if this could be the case.
<Highly unlikely... look much more like dust...>
The temperature is 78 degrees and there are already 4 teaspoons of aquarium salt
in the tank
<Good>
(I do not want to add more b/c I plan on adding Cory cats).
Thanks.
<I would just "hold off" and observe these fish at this point. They do "ship
poorly" at times (and often all the way from the Far East)... and have troubles
in adapting from systems with enormous microbial populations to cleaner water.
You have done most all that is generally required (cycled, planted system, salt
content). Hopefully these mollies will "settle in". In the event that there is a
pathogen detected, I would look to Acriflavine and Malachite (both) remedies.
Bob Fenner>
Dalmatian Molly swimming weird? 12/28/05
Hi, Great site amazing amount of information. I've been observing weird
behavior with my Dalmatian molly, I have a 2.5 gallon aquarium with a guppy and
a
Dalmatian molly, three days after purchasing from Petsmart one of the fish had
seven babies which I removed and put them in a separate bowl. I'm not sure
which fish had the babies and now it has been 8 days since I purchased the fish
and the Dalmatian molly is swimming very awkwardly. The dorsal and tail fin
seem to be completely inactive, the fish is only using the fins on the sides to
swim and the head of the fish is pointing up when moving. Also it seems to have
a very small white fuzzy cotton looking thing next to the eye, not sure if it
was there when I bought it although still a concern. I have tested the water
and the nitrite levels were at 4.0 and ammonia at .5 so I changed 50% of the
water which will hopefully bring that down.
<Mmm, need to cycle completely... and quickly! Please see WWM:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwestcycling.htm>
If you have any other information
to a diagnosis or cause or treatment I would really appreciate it!
Dave
<Your water is deadly toxic presently... and the Molly is a brackish water
animal... You would do well to add a bit of salt... covered on WWM, and yes the
Guppy will tolerate a moderate amount. Bob Fenner>
Molly Aggression 12/20/2005
Hello,
<Hi Kara.>
I recently found your website and find so much of the information
helpful, thanks!
<Quite welcome.>
I have a question I am hoping you can help with. I have
a 10-gallon tank, which I have had for about 8 months. I keep the
temperature around 78 degrees. I do about a 1/3rd water change once a
week and try to maintain a very clean nice place for my fish.
<Glad to hear it.>
I currently have 2 neon tetras, 1 red platy, 1 skirted tetra, 1 black and
white molly, and a golden algae eater.
<Lots of fish for this size tank.>
Lately the molly has been acting
more aggressively than he has before.
<Some Molly have quite the attitude on them.>
He chases the platy and skirted
tetra around with more vigor. He appears to be trying to nibble their
lower fins.
<Quite normal.>
Also, he has been swimming in circles around the skirted
tetra while displaying his top fin with much finesse. Then at times he
will just lie at the bottom of the tank under a bush. I can't figure
out if he is lonely, or sick, or crowded. He used to just swim happily
about. I have read that molly's like to be with fish of their species
so I thought of getting a female molly for him but don't know if that
would over-crowd the tank or make matters worse, make him more
aggressive. Any thoughts you have on this subject are really
appreciated.
<I wouldn’t add any more fish, I would actually consider removing the molly,
sounds like he is becoming territorial due to overcrowding. I would remove him.>
Thank you, Kara
<Your welcome, Adam J.>
Re: Molly Aggression 12/24/05
Hello again,
<Hi Kara.>
just wanted to say thanks so much for the really helpful
and fast response. It's important to me that my fish are happy, so
thanks for your help! You guys are great! Kara
<You are welcome and thank you, Adam J.>
Molly Longevity, Useless False Info - 11/10/2005
Yes, When I purchased my mollies at my local pet store the so called
"fish expert" informed me that female mollies die after three births.
<Uhh, what? What was he smoking? I sure don't want
any.>
After, reading your site I think this must be absolutely absurd since you say a
molly can continue to have births for six months without a male.
<Entirely possible.>
Am I correct in assuming this was false and useless knowledge?
<False, for sure. Useless? Um, no, most any tidbit you
get from anyone isn't quite "useless".... See, in this
case, you found (I hope) that you can/should verify information from sources of
unknown quality with other sources. Even us; don't take any one
source as undisputable truth.>
Also, how long can a well cared for molly be expected to live?
<Perhaps a few or a handful of years.... many months at the very
least.>
Thanks, -Amanda
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Molly Behaviour / Aggression - 11/01/2005
Hello again. I wrote the other day about my male molly claiming the heater. I think I know why. My three Dalmatian mollies are very
aggressive toward him. They will not let him eat; he has to wait until the food sinks. I was wondering is this normal for the females to be so aggressive towards the male?
<Mm, usually it's the other way around....>
He is quite a bit smaller than they are.
<This could be contributing to it.>
I'm just afraid he's not getting enough to eat. Plus I'm pretty sure all three are pregnant, they are getting big bellies. Could this be why they are so aggressive?
<Quite possibly.>
Also I have balanced my ph finally at 7.8 and have been checking it every day.
<Ah, good!>
Sorry to bother you again but I've been reading through you're site and can't seem to find this problem.
<No worries. Give this some time/observation.... If the little fellah is obviously suffering, I would find him a new home, or perhaps divide the tank to give him some space of his own to grow a bit.>
Thank you again, -Katina
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Molly Behaviour/Aggression - II - 11/06/2005
Hello again; sorry to keep bothering you guys but you give great advice. I
wrote the other day about my three females not letting the male eat. I tried
your advice but he died.
<Sorry to hear this.>
I think from the stress of the females harassing him. Especially one of my
females. But the problem now is she's harassing the other two females. One of
the females she has driven to the same corner where the male was. So should I
remove her from the tank or get a new bigger male?
<I would consider removing the "bully" - or perhaps increasing the number of
mollies substantially.>
My other male was a lot smaller than the females. There are only three mollies
in a 29 gallon aquarium. I've had them there almost a month. I wanted to add
three to four more. Would that slow her aggression?
<Quite possibly - but, of course, no guarantee.>
I know mollies can be aggressive from reading your site. The thing is I don't
want to get rid of any of them and I know they don't like to be alone. So if
adding mollies isn't the answer should I just put her in a tank by herself?
<That is certainly an option.... I would try adding more; a 29g tank can support
more than 3 mollies, to be sure. If this fails, you can still remove the "bully"
female.>
Thank you very much. -Katrina
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Re: Quarrelling Mollies - Injuries & Infections (An Update) 11/1/05
The female molly died and the male seems to be less of a jerk now that he is the sole molly (he's kill all the others it seems). I went
out & bought a test kit and here's what I've come up with:
<ok>
10 gallon heated tank:
Temp: usually around 80º
Tankmates: 2 sunset fire platies and their fry: (1 larger fry, 1 itty-bitty fry), 2 golden AE's and the black molly male.
Internal 10i filter, Submersible 5-15 heater (both enclosed in decorative "log")
pH: 6.7 (too acidic, I know)
<<Are the fishes showing poor health or other adverse reactions?
If not, don't mess about with the pH. MH>>
Nitrite: .25ppm
As for Nitrates I apparently didn't do the test correctly so the reading (40 ppm) is probably wrong.
1 gallon unheated tank:
Temp: 72º
Tank is currently empty
pH: 7.0 (perfect) :D
Ammonia: 1.0 (ewww)
<agreed>
Nitrite: .25 ppm
<there should not be any sign of nitrite! this is very dangerous for fish.>
Nitrate: 40ppm
<this reading is probably thrown off due to the traces of ammonia, nitrite>
I went to Wal-Mart trying to find a good way to correct everything but there were a
million different choices and methods. Can you recommend one? I need a "fixer" for
just about everything: nitrite, ammonia, and pH. I'll probably pick up a Nitrate "fixer" too for when it gets out
of whack.
<you need to do water changes....there is not a chemical that will correct your
problems.. dilution is the solution my friend. just continue to monitor the water parameters, good luck, IanB>
Molly Behaviour, pH and Alkalinity - 10/27/2005
Hi there.
<Ahoy.>
We have 4 Dalmatian mollies 3 female and 1 male. They are in a 55 gallon tank. We have had them for a week and a half now. The male has seemed to claim the heater as his. He will chase off the females if they get to close to it.
<I have seen territorial behaviour in mollies before. Usually males are more
aggressive with other males than with females, though.>
The temp in there tank stays 80. The first 3 days or so the male bugged the females all the time. Now he doesn't seem to chase them to breed any more. He eats and will come away from the heater for a little.
<Probably a good idea to keep a close eye on him, just in case.>
One of the females which I think is pregnant was claiming that same corner yesterday and ran the others off.
<Typical of a pregnant fish to chase others away from "her spot". I would still observe these fish very, very closely for a while, in case there is something pathogenic at play.>
I just did all the test and here are the results nitrite is 0,nitrate 0,amonia .25
ppm., alkalinity 120 ppm., pH is below 7.0.
<Better for this to be higher for mollies.>
I am not sure how to keep the pH and the alkalinity balanced. I have pH Increaser should I use this?
<Mm, instead, I would add a small amount of crushed coral or aragonite sand in a filter bag in your filter. This will help quite a bit. Start with just a little bit, though, and increase slowly over some days - test your pH regularly as you do this so you don't let it increase too much too quickly.>
We have not done any water changes since we set it up.
<Probably a good idea to start.>
Thank you Katina
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Mollies Fighting?
Molly Death match! - 10/26/2005
I own a 10 gallon freshwater, heated aquarium. Tankmates include:
2 black mollies (the trouble makers)
2 sunset fire Platies (and one of their fry in his own "fry ne |