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Where Does The Hole Go?
Hi, I have a 30 gal. reef and want to add a refugium. I have an
old 10 gal. sitting next to the 30 gal. it is full of 7 or 8 macro's and the
bottom of the 10 gal. is even with the top of the 30 gal. I want to run a
canister filter from the 30 gal. to the 10 gal., and drill a 1 inch bulkhead in
the side of the 10 gal., and let the water return with no pump via gravity. I am
not sure at what height to place the hole? I know near the top would give more
water in that tank , but I am concerned about the amount of critters that would
make it to the main tank with the return near the top without having a
power-head in there stirring everything up? Thomas Giddens
<Unfortunately, Thomas- that's one of those things that you're gonna have to experiment
with. I'd advise placing the hole towards the top, myself. Regards, Scott F>
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- Don't Rush -
Attached is a picture of my 75 G tank I'm building. I should have sent this
email prior to drilling the holes, but when you have power tools in your hands
its often shoot first and ask questions later. <Whatever happened to measure
twice, cut once?> I hope I didn't just shoot myself in the foot by drilling
18 9/16" holes in the top back of the tank for overflow. . . Did I
compromise the structural integrity of the tank? <You may have... just
looking quickly at that picture had me concerned... not sure there's much there
at the top edge to actually hold the top to the back piece in that area.>
I've read quite a bit about your collective frustrations with 'reef ready' tanks
not having enough overflow capacity for the needed water volume for a happy
reef, and my own experience with my first 37G mini reef indicates to me that
water flow is where it's at (I'm turning over 27x in my 37G and things are going
reasonably well considering my general ineptitude. I haven't killed anything yet
;-). So if my return pump is doing 1200gph, are my 18 9/16" holes enough
for the overflow? <I really don't know, but I don't think so...>
The plan is to glue on an acrylic overflow box to catch the overflow water from
my holes, punching a 1" bulkhead in the bottom of that to drain to the
sump. <Scary plan.... a very good chance the box you glue on will one day
fall off without anything to actually support it but the glued seam.>
While I have you, you can see my return manifold in the picture as well. The
plan is for the Iwaki MD40RXLT (Awwwww yea!) to pump it's 1200 through the
manifold. <Chances are good you'll be below 1200 GPH after you make all the
turns a manifold implies.>
I'm also thinking of punching a set of bulkheads through the back of the tank
and running a mag7 in a closed loop to keep the back of the live rock clear.
That would give me a total of 1900 GPH flow. I know that in general it's nearly
impossible to give too much water flow, but am I wasting my money going w/ the
additional mag7? <No.>
thanks for your help. Your team is awesome!
Kevin
<Cheers, J -- >
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- 135 Set-up/Plumbing -
Hi guys!
Thanks for your great site! I've poured over it as well as others gathering info
and have a few questions for you regarding my set-up.
First off, this will be a freshwater tank which I will later turn into a reef.
For now though I want to lay a good foundation to make the change easier and to
have a great, clean, low maintenance and well set up tank.
The tank is 72L X 18W X 24H and came with an Amiracle wet/dry with a single drip
plate (24x12x14). This tank has one back/center overflow (3 sides at 6"
each)
I want to have at least 1350gph(10x) flow rate and am debating a bunch of
plumbing, pump, filter issues:
1.. OVERFLOW: Considering my desired flow rate and current overflow box, what
alterations to it would you recommend? <Get a second overflow installed? I
don't know... not sure this single overflow will be up to your demands.>
What's the max for this overflow and what diameter bulkhead should I use for
it's downspout? <Uhh... you tell me, how big is that hole at the bottom of
the overflow? I'm going to guess an inch - if larger, that is better, but if
only one inch, then expect about 900 GPH max.> 1st concept: I've always
wondered about the possibility of drilling intake bulkheads near the bottom of
the tank and plumb them to the backside of the in-tank overflow box at the
waterline - a sort of below the waterline overflow. My thinking is that this
will aid in the removal of waste. <And water.> I'm not used to overflows
and can't imagine effectively removing waste by only skimming water from the
top. <Well... it's been working well enough for long enough that there are no
significant changes in the design. I would caution you strongly about plumbing
bulkheads well below the water line. Do make sure you have redundant valves and
fittings beyond the bulkheads as a failure in anything attached to that bulkhead
will result in draining your tank onto the floor.>
2.. RETURNS: For the returns I was thinking of using the manifold set-up. 2nd
concept: create a spray bar along the back of the tank just above the sand
level, elevating the rock structures just above the sand level with pvc stubs
glued to the bottom of the tank. The idea being that this would help eliminate
waste build-up and keep it waterborne. If I did this could I link a water level
return between it and the pump to avoid back siphon during pump failure, would
this work? <I think that in theory it will work - practical experience will
tell the tale.>
3.. FILTER: How much additional sump will I need (something that I could later
use as a refugium)? Do you think the single wet/dry will be ok for now (handle
1350+ gph?), what other additions or modifications should I look into?
<Consider something other than a wet/dry if you plan on building a reef or
refugium... look for a sump that is better adapted to this use. Wet/dries do not
convert well to other uses.> (I know I'll need to get rid of the bioballs
when I go reef.) <Actually, because the tank isn't set up yet, I'd recommend
you just get rid of the whole filter and look for something else... don't wait
to "get rid of the bioballs" - toss them now.> I want to keep
mechanical filtration simple (such as drip plate or some other prefilter.)
<How about a Berlin sump... simple micron sock to remove the waste.> I
basically want to eliminate the need to vacuum and keep the tank as clean as
possible. Suggestions please. <Cleanliness is only next to sterility in a
marine tank. Sterility is not your friend or ally in marine husbandry.>
4.. PUMPS: I know you suggest Iwaki but I'm thinking (until I go reef at least)
of going with the much more affordable "quite one" pumps. Unless you
happen to suggest another better but still inexpensive pump. Would having two
(redundant) pumps be overkill? <No.> I'm a little worried about depending
on only one pump to run an entire system. What float switches do you recommend
for preventing low sump/pump burnout? <Don't have any favorites here.>
Thanks for the time and help!
J
<Cheers, J -- >
- Plumbing the Through-View Tank -
Hello,
I am planning building a 58-gallon aquarium. Based on your
recommendation, I would like the flow to be somewhere between 870 gph and 1160
gph. Would two 1" bulkheads be sufficient to achieve that rate
of flow? What about two .75" bulkheads instead? <Think you
can get that amount of flow through 3/4" plumbing.>
I would like to put the aquarium in a place where it can be viewed from both
sides. Accordingly, I would like to avoid the aesthetic ugliness of
running pipe down the back of the aquarium. I assume that means that
I will need to drill the holes in the bottom of the tank, but please let me know
if you have a better idea as far as the aesthetics go. <Tanks can be
constructed with this design in mind... overflows and return on the short end.
Yes, you will want to address this or the tank will look awkward and
unbalanced.>
If I have pipes running through the bottom of the aquarium in the corners, will
I also need to separate these pipes from the rest of the aquarium with a
partition that is somewhat taller than the pipes? <Would be best and safest
to have any holes in the bottom of the tank surrounded by an overflow box. Best
to add double valves on the underside of the tank if not... cannot be too
careful.> Or would there be no problem with simply leaving out the partition?
Thanks so much,
TK
<Cheers, J -- >
Tank Drilling
Hello,
Just a quick question.
Should I have my glass 120 gallon (tall) tank drilled in the bottom or out the
back?
Thanks!
Todd
<Hey Todd, I have seen both ways work, but personally I would drill the back
of the tank (assuming that it is not tempered glass). I am a firm
believer in if something can go wrong it will. Myself, my floor, and
my landlord would much rather have a leak on upper back of the tank than the
bottom. I have never seen 120 gallons spilled on the floor and really
do not want to. Best Regards, Gage>
Re: Tank drilling
Sorry to persist....
<Don't know what's going on with Gage's email but I'll give it a go>
But I have just a few more questions. I am trying to find someone who
will
drill the tank. Most everyone does not want to attempt
it. The only glass
company that is willing to try it, sounds a bit flaky.
<If this is a glass tank... much easier to drill before assembly...>
If it were your tank (I know.... you would have bought it drilled), and you
had to have it drilled..... where would you have the holes drilled (I mean
can you be very specific, as in inches from top and sides), and how many
holes, and what size? Also where would you purchase the bulkheads?
<How big a tank? If it's a small one (less than more than a couple of feet in
length/width, a couple of inches from the edge and top (you can manipulate the
level of water inside the system with plumbing outside) to give you some
"edge" for structural strength>
Would you ever consider using a HOB overflow? If you had to use a HOB
overflow, would you use a double intake type?
<I would, have... even built, manufactured these years past... and I like the
"waterfall" varieties better than the double intake designs, but
greatly favor the doubles over single tube types>
I very very much appreciate your input.
Thanks,
Todd
<You're welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Tank drilling
Thank you for the super fast response.
<Now it's the 18th?! Yikes>
Where would you drill the holes at in the back? And how many?
<Ahh, I see below from previous correspondence this is a 120 gallon system
(likely six feet long). I would drill at least two, maybe three holes... if two,
2" inside diameter, and if three, 1 1/2" inside diameter... two at
either corner set with two inches of glass at top and the side and the third at
the same level in the tank mid-back>
Can I just
drill several return holes and avoid having to use powerheads inside the
tank?
<Yes>
Do I still need to use an internal overflow?
Or can I just put cages
over the outlet holes?
<Can use either one, I prefer the latter>
And how many outlet holes should I have drilled?
<IMO two>
How can I determine if the tank is tempered? If it is tempered, am
out of luck having it drilled?
<The folks doing the drilling will be able to tell you. More likely than not
the glass is not tempered though.>
I appreciate all of your input.
Thanks again!
<You're welcome again. Bob Fenner>
Re: Tank drilling
Thank you very much for the replies.
<Welcome>
If I drill (3) holes 1 1/2" which should I use for the returns?
<One inch ID should be fine>
Or should I
drill more for returns? I suppose I could just drill (3) holes and
use the
center for the output and the two end holes for the returns?
<I would use two more holes for the return... about the same level a few
inches from the overflow holes (you can fit manifolds, diverters inside the
tank... threaded on to the bulkheads/throughputs>
I guess I
could then find some ball jets that could attach to the bulkheads to divert
the returns any angle I wish?
<Ahh, yes>
I also imagine that I would need a stout return pump to push lots of water?
What GPH size pump would you recommend? I was looking at the Velocity
T4,
but perhaps that is not enough flow for the returns to have good water flow?
<Depends on a few factors... will you have a sump style filter arrangement...
at what "head" (difference in water level)? Or will the pump have to
"pull" or push through a mechanical filter membrane of some sort? Much
to consider>
The above should cover it. I very much appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you again,
<A pleasure to share with you. Bob Fenner>
Re: Tank drilling
Hello,
Yes this would be for a sump style filter. The head would be approx.
3 - 4
ft.
Just to reiterate. I should drill (3) 1 - 1/2" holes approx.
2" from top
and sides. One being in the center.
Then also drill (2) more additional holes for returns. These should
be
drilled about the same level and a few inches from the overflow/outputs.
It sounds like I would then bring the three overflows down into one or two
lines going into the sump. From the sump/return pump go to the (2)
return
holes on the back of the tank. These (2) return holes can then be
used to
divert the water at whatever angle is best suited via eyeball diverters.
Thus eliminating the need for powerheads.
<Yes>
However, the pump will need to push enough return to make this
useful. At
the same time not drain the sump too quickly. Any suggestions on
keeping
this balanced?
<Mmm, yes... an oversized pump with a throttling mechanism... likely a ball
or gate valve... the water going into your tank will surely overflow back into
your sump/refugium... the most important item (other than making the sump as
large in volume as possible) is to initially fill all, turn the pump on and mark
the level in the sump... and NOT fill the sump up any further than this...>
Would hate to drain the sump or overfill it. Perhaps a few
ball valves installed inline to fine tune/adjust the flow?
Thanks!
<That's the ticket! Bob Fenner>
In Need of Overflow
>Hello
>>Hi.
>I set up my 80 gal bowfront as a reef about 2 months ago. I bought from my
local store 135 lbs of what they called culture worm rock. It is the best
looking rock I have ever seen. This stuff has everything on it and it came with
many creatures in it. I must have 20 crabs, many urchins, anemones, worms,
feather dusters and a ton of stuff that I no idea what it is! I think that this
rock was uncultured.
>>Uncured, maybe? In any event..
>I have a thick film of silt or something on the surface of my water. What
ever I stick in the tank it comes out brown coated. My wet dry skimmer is not
picking it up. This surface stuff must be cutting my light projection
terribly. Do you folks have any idea on how I can remove it? I have taken your
advice and will be doing a 5 to 10% water change weekly, and tomorrow is the
day. Can I lay a clean piece of paper towel on it to remove
it?
>>Short term solution, absolutely, just make sure it's not impregnated
with anything (chemicals, scents, etc.).
>I am running a Tidepool II with the three trays blue pad and carbon in a
blue pad pouch and this is my only mechanical, chem. media. I have a
chiller in the cabinet with the wet/dry and there is no additional room for any
other Mechanical filter. I have a D-1 Diatom would that help get the
water clean. Even though my water is crystal clear there is this coating on the
surface. Thanks, Kirt
>>I think you need to pull your water through some sort of
overflow. You may be able to "retrofit" something
yourself. Also, in this research, look into the Durso overflow
system. I cannot advise you on flow rate, number of openings, or sizes
of openings, but other crewmembers we have are very well-versed in these
mechanical issues. Marina
Overflow question
Hi Bob,
<Hello Bill>
First, great site!
Second, another question for you...
I'm planning a basement fish room. There'll be two tiers of tanks forming
an 18' wall. Lower tier 1 foot from the floor of 2-foot-tall 120 gal tanks.
Upper
tier 4' above the floor, mix of 18" tall tanks.
I'm concerned about "bottom drilled" tanks, as the lower tier is
planned to be
1 foot off the floor. With a 16' run from sump to the "farthest tank",
I'm
unsure
if I can get enough drop to the sump to trust in gravity...
<Me neither... how tall will your sump be? A four inch drop (minus the level
in which the holes are drilled/overflow is set) is NOT enough to provide for
gravity flow>
In your opinion, which would be better --
hang on the back siphon style overflows
back-of-tank drilled overflows
<Only drilled>
Or do I need to reconsider the height of the lower tier?
Much higher and
reaching into the top tier gets hard without a step stool.
<I understand, but would not count of adequate flow (even using large
drain/plumbing size... like 2" ID) w/o a good foot drop over this run
(16'). If you can't lower the transit volume sump/s, refugium/s... you'll have
to raise/move the lowermost tanks.>
Thanks in advance, I'll probably be asking more advice before I'm up &
running.
--Bill
<Be chatting, Bob Fenner>
Mystery Fish Loss & Flow Unbalance (3/7/04)
<Sorry for the delay. One of the crew is out, so I'm helping to clear his
inbox.>
I have two questions I hope you can help with about the same system:
The system is a 72 gallon bow front with a crushed coral substrate and 75 pounds
of Live Rock
CPR Skimmer
Emperor 400 Filter
150 gallon rated three chamber Wet/dry with overflow box
Custom Sealife Lighting
300 Watt heater
Two 165 GPH Power heads for circulation
<Nice set-up.>
Test kit says nothing wrong except approximately 100ppm of Nitrates <That
high of a level could be the source of your problem>
1 Lunar Wrasse (large)
1 Yellow Tang (Medium
1 Clarkii Clown
1 Coral Beauty Angel
1 Regal Blue Tang (small)
1 Blue Striped Butterfly (Large)
1 Brittle Star
<Too many big fish for your small tank. For instance, the Lunar Wrasse and
the Regal Tang need at least 120G as they grow.>
In the last two weeks all but the Wrasse and Yellow Tang have died off.
<Sad> I have no idea what is wrong and need your help. Any
ideas? <Hard to say. The nitrates could have weakened them for enough
something else to get them. Perhaps they were stressed by not having enough
space. Both are active swimmers. The Wrasse especially needs a lot more space
than it has in a 72G with 75# of LR. Even the tank is pushing it at that
size.>
The second problem is restoring the balance between the tank and the wet/dry.
<The nitrate factory.> For months it had a perfect balance, then I messed
up and tried adding water into the sump and the tank became fuller. Since
then I have not been able to restore the balance between the main tank and the
sump. The tank
slowly gains water at a rate of about a half gallon per day. <Scary.
Imbalance is always a flood waiting to happen.> How do I
recreate the balance so that the main tank no longer gains water? <Need more
details of your plumbing. What sort of pump returns the water to the tank? It
sounds like the pump is working faster than the overflow box. Is it a siphon
overflow? Perhaps there is air built up in the tube and slowing the flow. Or
maybe something else is clogging it.>
Any help would be tremendous. Thanks in advance <Hope this helps.
One of the plumbing-minded crewmembers may be able to help if you give more
detail. You may also want to talk to the dealer who sold you the system. You can
also get lots of suggestions by starting a thread in the equipment forum at the WetWebFotos
chat site.>
Aquafuge pro and closed loop circulation 3/2/04
Adam, No doubt about it I'm going closed loop for circulation.
The
biggest concern I have right now is drilling the back of a brand new
tank for the intake to the pump. You know the feeling you get when
something is brand new and you think you'd like to tinker w/ it but you need a
push in the right direction? What I'm looking for here is a vote of confidence.
<This is definitely a scary thing! If you do decide to drill, I
would seek the advice of the tank builder and/or someone local who has
experience. Aside from the risk of damaging the tank during the
operation, you must be conscious of not weakening the structure of the tank and
risking future failure.>
My plan is to place a bulkhead w/ strainer about 8-10" from the bottom on
the back panel for intake.
<The lower you place the hole, the more water you can potentially lose if it
ever leaks. Consider placing the hole higher and using plumbing to
get your intake where you want it. It can be hidden in
aquascaping. Do also consider simply plumbing the intake plumbing up
and over the lip of the tank and into position (no drilling required).
Now, reading about all the pumps out there and their different intake sizes
leads me to another question: what size opening should I drill for 1400 gph
flow? I have eliminated 3/4" so far, also eliminated the SCWD in the line
because of it's 3/4" input/outputs (just murdered my flow rate). What I
will end up w/ is a 1" manifold 4-5 outputs. Should I select pump first and
then match input size? Marine tanks are not new to me, every aspect of plumbing
is.
<1" bulkheads should be adequate for 1400gph, and will match most pumps
in this flow range. Purchase and measure your bulkheads to determine
the required hole size. There is often some size difference between
brands. Even if the pump has 3/4" outlet (Little Giant may), I
would use all 1" plumbing for max flow.>
Thanks, Sam <Best
Regards. Adam>
How To? Cutting airlift tubing... straight!
Hi! Thanks for taking the time to answer this question of mine:
How does one cut the uplift tube for the undergravel filter, without leaving
it uneven?
(hacksaw not an option.)
Thanks!
Laure'
<Well... the best is a real new and/or higher quality "tubing
cutter" like the ones you can find that "wrap around" metal pipe
(and plastic) that you gingerly tighten while twisting about the cut... or, if
you're REALLY eye-hand skilled you can "roll a line" on the tubing
with a single edged razor blade by laying the tubing on a flat surface and
rolling it with one hand while pressing with the blade with the other... OR
there are PVC cutters that have a "cam action" so they don't pinch
"the work" while making cuts... OR if you really have a bunch to cut a
chop-saw (aka cut-off saw) with a plastic blade (don't forget safety glasses!)
can do a whole lot of clean cuts in a jiffy... Bob Fenner>
Goodbye power heads (re post) 2/27/04
Hi Anthony or other helpful crew member,
<whassup?>
Some time ago I wrote you about setting up a "goodbye power head"
system. I have a standard 75 gal non drilled reef on a regular stand. I was
going to use a over the back siphon as input to the pump and then run it back up
as in your design.
<yeeeeeikkes. Siphon overflows are no part of any system I would/did/will
ever recommend. They are patently risky in the long term at best. DO reconsider.
If you cannot drill the tank, I'd rather see you go sumpless than use a siphon
overflow>
I am ready to "make it so" but have a few more questions.
1) On the intake, should I plumb it like a external Durso with a cap on the pvc
so the pump can be primed? I am thinking it will always stay primed even if the
power goes out or am I missing something?
<missing much my friend... there are many things that can and will break this
siphon over time: accumulated microbubbles from sump pump, skimmer effluent, O2
production off corals and plants by day, etc)>
2) Should I use a pressure rated pump or a volume?
<not sure here without knowing/seeing the plumbing. Still I suspect it will
not be that complex and as such either pump will work. I'd opt for pressure
rated>
3) Would 1/2" pipe for the return be ok? as 3/4 just stands out around the
tank to much.
<Likely fine here... will require some experimentation>
4) What GPH would you recommend at around 4' head and 4 90 elbows. I was thinking
around 800gph or so.
<too low here my friend... opt for 20X for better results (10-20X is minimum
and some of the best tanks have near 40X diffused). Find a pump that delivers
1500-2000 gph at the head you will apply>>
Can you recommend a brand or model? I have shallow pockets!
<good things are seldom cheap and cheap things are seldom good, bud. For how
large this overall investment is (many thousands of dollars through the first
few years)... saving $50-100 on a cheaper pump is not worth it. Buy quality made
to last like Iwaki and enjoy is 3-5X longer than the cheap pumps. Opt for
Japanese made Iwaki (better built)>
Thanks to all the crew for the great service you provide to all of us!
<thanks kindly, Anthony>
120 tank drilling 2/24/04
hello Anthony, I really like your idea with doing away with the
"reef ready" tanks with the unsightly overflow
towers. I plan on ordering a 120 from my LFS, I currently have a 90
dedicated to LPS only and do plan on keeping it that way (no mixed garden here,
thanks to you, and the rest of the crew) ,
<excellent to hear!>
but I'm running out of room and plan on transferring the inhabitants to the 120
one of these days.
<its one of my fave size/shaped tanks: 2X2X4 feet>
I would like you're opinion on how I should have the tank drilled , I plan on
ordering the tank from all-glass and having them drill the back walls at the top
to accommodate 1 1/2" bulkheads that have strainers on them for the
overflows to the sump, how does that sound?
<exactly the way I'd do it>
or is there a better way that you would recommend?
<spot on. And if it goes reef... then include a slender horizontal overflow
sealed in front of the bulkheads for better skimming (see this in my Book of
Coral Propagation or write back for the passage to be e-mailed to you)>
I was thinking 4 or 5 holes would do? too many or too
much?
<hard to say.. you need to determine what corals you will keep, what flow
they will need, and if you want to/can run all of that flow through the sump
(versus less holes plus a closed loop and second pump). No powerheads
regardless>
Would you have a better idea than drilling then with a 90 degree
elbow and a strainer on it to get this down to the sump to allow for
more water flow (and a bigger pump) or do I not need this as much
with LPS ?
<good skimming is needed with all truly>
Also I was thinking about drilling for the returns , should I do that or should
I just run the piping up from the back of the tank?
<that one is really just a personal preference. I favor up over the back and
drilling less holes>
I was thinking about you're closed loop manifold, if that makes a
difference. thanks for you're help.
<best of luck! Anthony>
120 tank drilling II 2/27/04
ok, thanks Anthony. You mentioned that I should install a skimmer
box in front of the bulkheads,
<not needed but helpful... much better skimmate>
I do have your BOCP, I looked at it, but how can I build this?? and how do I
secure it to the tank??
<its simply siliconed cut and seamed glass in a dry tank (or low drained
tank)>
One more thing, I asked if I should go with 4 or 5 1 1/2" bulkheads
drilled, you needed to know what kind of animals I intend to keep in there to
determine if I should go with that or less.... well I am going to keep it a
dedicated LPS tank, so how many should I go with here to provide the flow these
plump, fleshy corals will need??
<You really need to pick the corals by species name my friend... not just
saying "LPS". That could mean Nemanzophyllia which suffers from even
moderate water flow, to Hydnophora which requires remarkably strong water
flow>
Also my sump should be able to handle the flow right?,
<yes... if designed well. Diffused flow to prevent excessive turbulence and
bubbles being aspirated>
as long as my pumps can put it out right? I could also lets say have
5 holes drilled and plug them if I don't need them, or if I someday want to add
a closed loop pump to the system right? thanks once again.
<all of these questions are really simple to see/understand if you'll take
the time to visit some LFS shops to peep their functioning systems... better
still, a local aquarium society with fellowship from local members to show you their
tanks and systems. If none of this is possible, you can start or follow a thread
with pictures on message boards to see how others do their systems. We are such
visual creatures.. you need to see these systems in action and all will be so
much clearer. Anthony>
Ebb and flow and oh no!
I am trying to get my pump and my overflow to move at the same rate, so I do
not massive have amounts of air bubbles floating around my tank. I
already
have some basic Pvc valves, but I can't seem to get them to exactly equal
<Best to have oversized sumps for transit volume, baffles, intake screens,
what have you for dissipation, coalescing, avoiding mixing air and water. Flows
cannot be matched as you are trying to do... rely on gravity my friend. Bob
Fenner>
Bulkhead Sizing...
Thanks for all the answers! It was helpful!
<Glad to be of service!>
I have one other question though, I received my pump in the mail and
attached it to my plumbing, when I found out that my overflow can not
handle the pump rate (500 gph with a 1" overflow). I then found
out
(albeit too late) that a 1 pipe can only handle 300 gph. I built my
overflow myself, but then I started looking at the retail ones (i.e.. CPR
overflows) when I found out mine couldn't handle it. I'm a bit
confused. These CPR overflows are rated at 600, 800, 1200 gph etc.
yet
they mostly all have 1 inch bulkheads. How is that they are getting a
higher flow rate with the same pipes size? And would I be able to do
something to achieve this with my current overflow?
<Well, bulkhead size is so important when configuring overflows. I
cannot recall a situation where someone has regretted going with larger
bulkheads (like 1.5 inches or more..). Give it a thought. Unfortunately, the
best advise I could give you would be to experiment with your current overflow,
and perhaps consider the addition of another bulkhead/standpipe and see what
kind of results you get...Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
BH Overflow Size and Turnover...still confused !! 2/17/04
Good morning crew. sunny Scotland calling.. haha
<Good morning! Warm Pennsylvania replying... more funny
stuff!>
I'm still unsure in my head if the bulkhead overflow sizes and water flow rate
would be right to make this tank a successful reef tank. Here's where I'm
confused I have a 180g main tank and considering something like a 60g
sump. The 180 was drilled in the shop I bought it from with TWO, One
and one quarter inch (1 1/4") holes, and I was figuring on returning the
water via the Closed Manifold idea of Anthony's.
<The closed manifold makes for excellent flow distribution.>
Now I've read that you need somewhere between 10 - 20 times the total turnover
per hour. would these 2 holes provide that kind of throughput, <Are
the holes 1.25" (likely only to accommodate 3/4" bulkheads), or do the
holes accommodate 1.25" bulkhead fittings? As a drain, 1.25"
bulkheads will probably accommodate in the nationhood of 5-600 gph each, leaving
you quite short of your target flow rate.>
and if so what rate/kind of pump would you recommend (I'd prefer an external one
if possible).
<Iwaki is widely considered to be the "gold standard" by which all
centrifugal pumps are judged, but GRI and Little Giant also make excellent
pumps.>
As a side thought, although the holes are only 1 4", as the bulkhead
fitting comes out of the tank, would it help any to increase the diameter of the
pipe here to speed up the water rate ??
<For returns, lager diameter pipe is helpful to increase flow, but this
effect is very much diminished for drains. If you find that you are
not satisfied with the amount of flow that your drains can handle, you may have
to supplement with other types of circulation.>
Many thanks Raymie (Scotland)
<Best Regards! Adam>
- Turnover -
Can I get sufficient flow through the overflow on a 125 reef ready all glass
tank using a Blueline 40 HD-X pump. <I think so... if it has two overflows,
then it should be no problem.> Will I need to run all 4 bulkheads for drains
or will the 2 one inch be enough. <The two should be sufficient.> Any
suggestions I am trying to convert from J tube overflows to internal type. <I
take it then that this is a new tank.> Tank has been set up 9 years and is
stocked with SPS LPS and soft corals.
<No worries. Cheers, J -- >
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